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    1. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @asymmetricinfo @4anno @darelmass

      By this standard we should mask them until they are elderly or dead after Delta because there could eventually someday be another variant that puts us in potential ignorance again.

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    2. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @michaelbd @4anno @darelmass

      Yes, that's exactly what I am saying, because there is no possibility of making judgements in context of a pandemic that just killed nearly 700k Americans that might be different in any way from judgments made in any other year.

      4 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. Raffi‏ @rak3re 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @asymmetricinfo @michaelbd and

      Megan, the problem is your judgments have no limiting principle, and we truly fear that, if left to people like you, this would be the reality forever. Covid is not going away. Variants are not going to stop developing. When do kids get faces back?

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    4. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @rak3re @michaelbd and

      Again, I'm not actually arguing for or against masking in schools--but "when thousands of people aren't dying every day" is a pretty well-defined limiting principle, just not the one you happen to like.

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    5. Raffi‏ @rak3re 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @asymmetricinfo @michaelbd and

      What if seasonal waves of covid deaths are simply a reality of life just like flu deaths? Welcome to the human virome. That’s not the limiting principle you think it is. Again, covid is going to be here forever.

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    6. Megan McArdle‏Verified account @asymmetricinfo 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @rak3re @michaelbd and

      If seasonal waves of covid deaths like this are the new reality, conservatives are deluding themselves that we are ever going to get back to 2019 normal, and should start planning accordingly, rather than trying to browbeat folks into acting like nothing's changed.

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    7. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @asymmetricinfo @rak3re and

      Or we could just emigrate to countries that haven’t done the NPIs we hate and so those societies don’t remain perpetually psychologically invested in the fear of not doing them?

      4 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    8. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @michaelbd @asymmetricinfo and

      There’s no evidence at all that vaxxed adults are better transmitters of the virus than unvaxxed kids. School outbreaks played a major role in the big surges in both the UK and Israel. That’s not evidence masks help. But transmission among kids is not a fiction.

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    9. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @asymmetricinfo and

      How does one account for the nations where schools did not mask or experience major outbreaks from kid-adult transmission at schools?

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    10. James Surowiecki‏Verified account @JamesSurowiecki 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @michaelbd @asymmetricinfo and

      I think we need to wait until the fall to see if that’s true with Delta widely seated in communities. I don’t think kids are going to be primary vectors of transmission, and are still mainly going to get it from adults. But kid-to-kid transmission is plainly a thing.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Aug 2021
      Replying to @JamesSurowiecki @michaelbd and

      Based on anectode piles (not traditional statistics, but are a form of sampling so I it means something), I think unvaxxed kids will spread a lot more than before. FWIW, I sent my own kid to in-person school when available and learning pod before that for all of last year.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JamesSurowiecki and

          I think the dilemma for people with kids under 12 is real, and I think it was an easier decision last year. Upside, parents can be vaccinated now. I think we cannot extrapolate too well from last year. And yeah it sucks for the kids, third school-year for some.

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        1. Raffi‏ @rak3re 21 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JamesSurowiecki and

          If this is true, the question is, so what to do about it? How much do we spend trying to mitigate child transmission on top of all that we’ve already spent? Talking about delta’s transmission profile is all well and good, but it doesn’t answer the cost-benefit.

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        2. Flavored Cats‏ @tpwk47 21 Aug 2021
          Replying to @mathnegative @zeynep and

          There is no justification for EUA for children 5-11. If the FDA provides it, it will be for purely political reasons, and will not have clinical data to conclusively demonstrate efficacy vs risk. Uptake will be unlikely to top 20%.

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        2. Ramsey Merbert‏ @4anno 21 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JamesSurowiecki and

          Again who cares? Spreading to whom? It all comes down to people who are vaccinated but potentially still vulnerable, which is not a group we've ever made policy around beyond the confines of an ICU.

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        3. Inquisitive Ursa‏ @InquisitiveUrsa 21 Aug 2021
          Replying to @4anno @zeynep and

          It also includes all kids under 12 who can't be vaccinated.

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