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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021

      Hi @zeynep, I know you take issue with dishonest reporting, so you might want to make this part clear if you're claiming Ben Embarek is accusing Chinese officials of malfeasance based on his words: both he and a WHO spokesperson said that it's been mistranslated into English. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1425858836519325702 …pic.twitter.com/12aRx18DSP

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    2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021

      And PS. I confirmed the mistranslation with a Danish-speaking colleague.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen

      cc:@mradamtaylor @emilyrauhala who reported all this as what "he said" reportedly based on the documentary and unaired footage from it. I assumed WaPo checked this claim—if not, absolutely, they should issue a major correction.

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    4. Emily Rauhala‏Verified account @emilyrauhala 12 Aug 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen @mradamtaylor

      We had a Danish colleague translate the quotes from the doc. This is not based on the article circulating early today, which Ben Embarek told us is a mistranslation.

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    5. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021
      Replying to @emilyrauhala @zeynep @mradamtaylor

      My Danish colleague watched the documentary. He translated the relevant part as follows: “A laboratory worker, who gets infected while he/she is out in the field collecting samples from bat caves, even if this belongs under a “lab leak” it is also part of our first hypothesis...

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    6. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @emilyrauhala and

      "which is the hypothesis of somebody getting infected directly from a bat directly to a human. And that hypothesis we consider a plausible hypothesis.” Plausible is not the same as "likely," which is how it was quoted in the piece.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @emilyrauhala @mradamtaylor

      So "plausible" rather than "likely? Anything else? Any other contested phrase? (Or any other phrase specifically contested by Ben Embarek? I assumed that an editor would insist on sticking in any specific objection and translation was checked. If not, it should be put in there).

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @emilyrauhala @mradamtaylor

          From what I can tell, this is the phrase that Ben Embarek says was mistranslated. But as he said it was an incorrect translation, I think that his own public statements about his intended meaning should be considered.

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        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 12 Aug 2021
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          And while plausible vs likely seems like no big deal, I think it is very much a big deal when it's being presented as Ben Embarek saying that direct spillover in the course of WIV fieldwork is "likely." Something can be plausible but still be unlikely.

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