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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

      So, the Washington Post is reporting that the head of the WHO origins investigation team now says they essentially got dictated by the Chinese officials what possibilities could be included in their report on virus origins, and with what conditions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/12/who-origins-embarek/ …pic.twitter.com/NlMZ5A3Z9T

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

      Also, the WHO team lead considers researcher getting infected in the field in the "likely" category —as a mix of "lab-leak" and direct infection— and also says there could have been human error but "the Chinese political system does not allow authorities to acknowledge that."pic.twitter.com/sSHFmA2VVU

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

          I mean, the above is caption obvious, but I'm glad it's being acknowledged. Also good to see a few reporters bothering to keep up pointing out and reporting the basics and more. I'll repeat: many of the really key *and* out-in-the-open issues are still not reported on much.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Adam Taylor

          More on the mistranslation claim. The issue is Dr. Embarek may have said "plausible" or "likely" to the possibility of a researcher infected in the field. (Adam says "David" is mistyped, he's traveling and that they translated directly from documentary).https://twitter.com/mradamtaylor/status/1425938809963810818 …

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          Adam TaylorVerified account @mradamtaylor
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @emilyrauhala @zeynep
          Our danish colleague translated it as likely and TV2 translated it as likely. WHO and David himself did not dispute when we contacted. There may some ambiguity in it as he’s making a complex point that a lab worker infected while collecting samples would be direct zoonotic spread
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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Ferris Jabr

          Ferris sounds right on this: Dr. Embarek seems to consider researcher getting infected as something that comes under "direct zoonosis" and rated "likely" in the WHO report, and he considers that scenario plausible—a different question than likelihood.https://twitter.com/ferrisjabr/status/1425938631563247616 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Ferris JabrVerified account @ferrisjabr
          Replying to @zeynep
          Embarek's syntax makes his intended meaning uncertain, even w/ translation. Not clear whether "that hypothesis" refers to direct spillover generally (which WHO rated as possible-to-likely) or specifically to lab worker infection. Note wording in preceding graf cc @angie_rasmussen pic.twitter.com/XMuyJyA40B
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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Aug 2021

          All that said, imo, the WHO report should have dismissed *only* the frozen food hypothesis as unlikely, implausible and "come on don't make us look that bad" and left others as plausible, and needing a proper investigation including especially early case info and some raw data.

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        2. Mr Anderson‏ @mrandersoninneo 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Why are they speaking out just now though? What has changed?

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        3. Richard H. Ebright‏Verified account @R_H_Ebright 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @mrandersoninneo @zeynep

          All but the dimmest of the dim can read the handwriting on the wall. Even someone as dim as Embarek can.

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        1. Jean Pierre Dupays‏ @dupays 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Jean Pierre Dupays Retweeted Jean Pierre Dupays

          Been saying that for a while as sort of a face saving scenario.https://twitter.com/dupays/status/1374011344094117892?s=19 …

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          Jean Pierre Dupays @dupays
          Replying to @mlipsitch @alisonannyoung @USATODAY
          I've seen video material of Wuhan scientists collecting samples of bats in a cave. One of these scientists could have been infected during such research without the need for the lab to get involved. Shi might've been right about the lab strains in such a case.
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        2. Richard H. Ebright‏Verified account @R_H_Ebright 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @alchemytoday @zeynep

          The original Danish versions are available online for inspection. There was no "mis-translation."

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        2. Ferris Jabr‏Verified account @ferrisjabr 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Embarek's syntax makes his intended meaning uncertain, even w/ translation. Not clear whether "that hypothesis" refers to direct spillover generally (which WHO rated as possible-to-likely) or specifically to lab worker infection. Note wording in preceding graf cc @angie_rasmussenpic.twitter.com/XMuyJyA40B

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        3. Ferris Jabr‏Verified account @ferrisjabr 12 Aug 2021
          Replying to @ferrisjabr @zeynep @angie_rasmussen

          He may have been saying: "Although we concluded a lab incident was unlikely, a researcher infected in the field could be regarded as a type of direct spillover, which we concluded was likely." Because of awkward syntax, not sure it's possible to definitively know intended meaning

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