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    1. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      English version of the @Minervanett article: "The PhD dissertation, however, clearly states that the proliferation and cell infection experiments of live viruses (including recombinant viruses) were performed in a BSL2 (Biosafety level 2) laboratory."https://www.minervanett.no/china-drastic-sars-cov-2/chinese-researchers-created-new-corona-viruses-under-unsafe-conditions/381476 …

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    2. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      Alina Chan Retweeted Alina Chan

      Some are asking for better regulation of pathogen research regardless of Covid origins. I'm with you, but it seems like it's not moving the leaders who have the authority and power to push for those regulations. Their strategy is MORE pathogen research.https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1369824489505177600 …

      Alina Chan added,

      Alina ChanVerified account @Ayjchan
      Hoping to press the point here about why it is so important to understand whether the current pandemic arose from the wildlife trade/environmental destruction vs research activities. The pandemic prevention strategies are in complete conflict for each scenario.
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    3. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      Alina Chan Retweeted Alina Chan

      MORE pandemic preparedness by conducting MORE virus hunting and pathogen research across MORE countries. *Biosafety level is determined by the country where the research is conducted.https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1409883516247158789 …

      Alina Chan added,

      Alina ChanVerified account @Ayjchan
      This is an urgent and important issue that impacts pandemic preparedness and pathogen research worldwide 🌎🌍🌏 The same type of research was again funded through EcoHealth Alliance but now done outside of China; project start 2020-06-17 https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/U01-AI151797-01 …
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    4. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      So... in other words, more of the same research (any new regulation?) that didn't help to prevent or find a cure or vaccine to this pandemic, but might have even potentially caused it. Will the funders actually have an excel spreadsheet tracking the pathogen samples this time?

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    5. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      This situation... Virologists say that virologists are unlikely to have caused the pandemic. Virologists say that more virology (and more funding for virologists) is needed to prevent a future pandemic.

      18 replies 30 retweets 156 likes
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    6. Çağrı Mert Bakırcı‏Verified account @cagrimbakirci 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @Ayjchan

      Oof there are so many logical fallacies in one short thread that it's hurting my head. It's not impossible that it leaked, it is just more probable that it is natural, as most viruses are. So the burden of proof is on those who claim this virus is "special".

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      How are you making that calculation? Just baffles me that people confidently make such claims based on little verifiable evidence—even most basic early outbreak data has been withheld, censored and/or is inconsistent and contradictory. We don’t know much is an honest answer.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      You could just as well say that a sustained an extensive cover up puts the real burden of proof on anyone making such a claim. Even the few early cases—such as they’ve even been shared, which is incomplete—are inconsistent and puzzling. Less confidence would be appropriate.

      4 replies 7 retweets 37 likes
    9. Allison‏ @fallenigloos 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      They attempted to cover up SARS in 2003 as well- that's just an authoritarian government being authoritarian.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/09/sars.china …

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    10. Allison‏ @fallenigloos 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @fallenigloos @zeynep and

      I mean, go ahead and throw out ANY information via the Chinese government- then all we have to work with is the genome of the virus itself, which is 100% consistent with a natural origin.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @fallenigloos @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      Ralph Baric, perhaps the world’s top bat coronavirologist, says you can’t rule out engineering based on the genome alone and says need lab records. “Consistent with” thus includes almost all scenarios. I can’t believe the confidence people have in their hand-waving assertions.

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        2. Allison‏ @fallenigloos 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

          Can’t be ruled out definitively, but doesn’t provide any reason to think anything out of the ordinary happened either! *No one* here is saying it’s impossible, just that it’s silly to pretend there’s no existing info about what’s probable. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/the-sudden-rise-of-the-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory …pic.twitter.com/8TbYEQyFgZ

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        2. Joe‏ @twitskeptic 11 Jul 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @fallenigloos and

          “Can’t rule out” is very different than equally likely priors, which seems to be the lab leak supporter’s approach. I can’t rule out that I will win the lottery next year either. Of course you know this and are just trying to exploit the controversy.

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        3. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 11 Jul 2021
          Replying to @twitskeptic @zeynep and

          When the lottery outcome is millions of deaths, we have to investigate. The odds of SARS2 emerging in Wuhan due to research activities vs the wildlife trade are not so low as to be comparable to winning a lottery. I would put the odds anywhere between 1:100 to 9:1.

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