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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      There are cell culture hoods and good ventilation in BSL2 TC rooms. But just ask any scientist who works at BSL2 how frequently they hear about someone else touching door handles with their gloves on or cleaning up spills in the centrifuges. Or how often they get contamination.

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    2. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      BSL2 is not an appropriate biosafety level for working with infectious SARS-related coronaviruses. Especially the ones you've already determined can replicate in human cells and use the human ACE2 receptor.

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    3. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      h/t @Akselfrids for writing an article pointing out the WIV paper and thesis stating that their live virus SARSrCoV work was performed at BSL2. https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1397877973404065793 …pic.twitter.com/ef4D2x9cky

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    4. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      English version of the @Minervanett article: "The PhD dissertation, however, clearly states that the proliferation and cell infection experiments of live viruses (including recombinant viruses) were performed in a BSL2 (Biosafety level 2) laboratory."https://www.minervanett.no/china-drastic-sars-cov-2/chinese-researchers-created-new-corona-viruses-under-unsafe-conditions/381476 …

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    5. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

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      Some are asking for better regulation of pathogen research regardless of Covid origins. I'm with you, but it seems like it's not moving the leaders who have the authority and power to push for those regulations. Their strategy is MORE pathogen research.https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1369824489505177600 …

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      Alina ChanVerified account @Ayjchan
      Hoping to press the point here about why it is so important to understand whether the current pandemic arose from the wildlife trade/environmental destruction vs research activities. The pandemic prevention strategies are in complete conflict for each scenario.
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    6. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      Alina Chan Retweeted Alina Chan

      MORE pandemic preparedness by conducting MORE virus hunting and pathogen research across MORE countries. *Biosafety level is determined by the country where the research is conducted.https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1409883516247158789 …

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      Alina ChanVerified account @Ayjchan
      This is an urgent and important issue that impacts pandemic preparedness and pathogen research worldwide 🌎🌍🌏 The same type of research was again funded through EcoHealth Alliance but now done outside of China; project start 2020-06-17 https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/U01-AI151797-01 …
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    7. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      So... in other words, more of the same research (any new regulation?) that didn't help to prevent or find a cure or vaccine to this pandemic, but might have even potentially caused it. Will the funders actually have an excel spreadsheet tracking the pathogen samples this time?

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    8. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 7 Jul 2021

      This situation... Virologists say that virologists are unlikely to have caused the pandemic. Virologists say that more virology (and more funding for virologists) is needed to prevent a future pandemic.

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    9. Çağrı Mert Bakırcı‏Verified account @cagrimbakirci 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @Ayjchan

      Oof there are so many logical fallacies in one short thread that it's hurting my head. It's not impossible that it leaked, it is just more probable that it is natural, as most viruses are. So the burden of proof is on those who claim this virus is "special".

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      How are you making that calculation? Just baffles me that people confidently make such claims based on little verifiable evidence—even most basic early outbreak data has been withheld, censored and/or is inconsistent and contradictory. We don’t know much is an honest answer.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jul 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

      You could just as well say that a sustained an extensive cover up puts the real burden of proof on anyone making such a claim. Even the few early cases—such as they’ve even been shared, which is incomplete—are inconsistent and puzzling. Less confidence would be appropriate.

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        2. Charles Arthur‏Verified account @charlesarthur 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

          We lack a good framework for thinking about this, because everyone think they might be Columbo and discover the clue intentionally hidden by a *human*. It’s narratively satisfying. But *every other novel disease ever* has emerged via evolution. Narratively unsatisfying.

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        3. Grey Day 🏃🏻‍♂️ 🇬🇧‏ @SteelTuft 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @charlesarthur @zeynep and

          And yet the WIV was an institution literally set up up to identify and collect novel pathogens in one place. A leak from there at some point is an odds on certainty.

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        2. Peter Jacobs, PhD‏ @past_is_future 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Ayjchan @cagrimbakirci

          SARS-1 zoonotic outbreak that killed people had stonewalling, cover-up, non-transparency from China too, and China has a history of that sort of behavior around things that are embarrassing to but not created by it, so that doesn't actually follow does it?

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        2. Allison‏ @fallenigloos 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @cagrimbakirci @Ayjchan

          They attempted to cover up SARS in 2003 as well- that's just an authoritarian government being authoritarian.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/09/sars.china …

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        3. Allison‏ @fallenigloos 10 Jul 2021
          Replying to @fallenigloos @zeynep and

          I mean, go ahead and throw out ANY information via the Chinese government- then all we have to work with is the genome of the virus itself, which is 100% consistent with a natural origin.

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