And yet, where sars1 broke out is also over 1000 kilometers from the Yunnan caves. fact-check meet fact-check.https://twitter.com/zhihuachen/status/1408753168863928322 …
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And yet, where sars1 broke out is also over 1000 kilometers from the Yunnan caves. fact-check meet fact-check.https://twitter.com/zhihuachen/status/1408753168863928322 …
Zhihua Chen added,
Something I *explicitly* point out in my piece and is true, unlike the nonsense I highlighted above. You've been tagging me with a lot of factually incorrect things lately, so I'm going to kindly request you either read what I write or stop the non-stop tagging. Thanks.
Now I’m thoroughly embarrassed. Please point out the factually incorrect things I tagged you. I’m just obsessed with this situation. And I imagine it’s very taxing for you to actually correspond with everyone.
At the risk of getting blocked
, I’ll still link here the three things I tagged you with, which I don’t think are factually incorrect. Two are critiques of specifics, one takes inspiration from your discussion of civets. By the way, I read your piece and thought it very helpful
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critique 2, forwarding someone else’s discussion.https://twitter.com/zhihuachen/status/1409162687762911236 …
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Last one, expansion on exonerating civets. And I will stop.https://twitter.com/zhihuachen/status/1408515985326456837?s=21 …
Zhihua Chen added,
OK much easier to follow, thank you. Answers in a bit.
Last one is easiest. Bat-to-human plausibility makes the search for the intermediary animal less necessary as proof of lack of lab involvement. But makes bats at labs a higher risk factor. Also people living near bats. So it’s not leaning in a single direction, weight-wise.
This one is hardest for me, and it’s not a critique of your piece. :) I just kept going back to the SARS1 comparison thinking how the evidentiary burden is not demanded of SARS1 since if the civets were victims then we really haven’t tracked down how SARS1 reached Guangdong.
I point out the SARS1 distance to origin very high in the piece. I think the potential questions around civets don't cut in any single direction, but just highlights that bat coronaviruses may well be "poised" to jump to humans, as per a lot of Shi/Baric research, actually.
Isn’t it worth exploring how sars1 emerged in Guangdong far away from Yunnan without the aid of intermediate species? Shouldn’t much of the processes/foundation involved in sars1’s emergence remain active for the emergence of SARS-cov-2,
… and therefore its understanding helpful for us to assess the relative possibilities of nature vs research activities? Thanks for responding by the way.
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