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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Jun 2021

      For the second time in fifty years, we're pondering whether our research activities have sparked a pandemic like they did in 1977. A deep dive from me on what we *already* know about the origins of the coronavirus—and how we can learn the right lessons. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html …pic.twitter.com/IX9jFczCZ2

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    2. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 25 Jun 2021
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      Fam, if a vaccine trial causes an outbreak, how is that a lab-leak? Ex. Polio. It's unfortunate. It's a tragedy. But what exactly "leaked" in the 1977 example?

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Jun 2021
      Replying to @MoNscience

      I didn’t call it a lab leak! For what it’s worth, I personally hate that term. One may have to use it as a linguistic descriptivist, but I avoid it when I can. Not once in this piece! Also I don’t think the piece fits into camps, I just try to be future oriented. As best I could.

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    4. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 25 Jun 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Zeynep, come on. You use the term "lab leak" in your piece multiple times. 👇 You start the piece by citing the 1977 flu outbreak, which is bandied about by lab leak proponents even though it isn't an example of a lab leak.pic.twitter.com/225wA8ORSN

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Jun 2021
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      Ugh, yeah you are right, the word got in once (for a straightforward "lab leak"). I dislike the term as it is imprecise. The second is quoting Gottlieb, not my term. But I also cannot control what people use as examples. I see lots of bad examples on all sides of this.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Jun 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MoNscience

          In any case, I really dislike the term due to vagueness. I wish we used some other word, but as I said, as a linguistic descriptivist, hard to avoid the general term that has (I don't know how?) got to be the term widely used. Wish it was something else, though.

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        3. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 25 Jun 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          🤷 People are speculating, based on circumstantial evidence, that **researchers** were somehow involved with the origins of the pandemic...whether through a field accident or genetic engineering. I don't know what we'd call it other than a lab leak.🤷

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        2. Gigi Gronvall‏Verified account @ggronvall 25 Jun 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MoNscience

          Then why are you perpetuating them? Your characterization of what happened w the last case of smallpox is… well, it’s incomplete for sure and also— 1978?? But characterizing Sverdlovsk as a biosafety accident is flat out wrong.

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        3. Gigi Gronvall‏Verified account @ggronvall 25 Jun 2021
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          For what it’s worth I recently wrote a thread about Sverdlovsk and it has some links to learn more:https://twitter.com/ggronvall/status/1406737828319481857?s=21 …

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          Gigi GronvallVerified account @ggronvall
          No, what happened in Sverdlovsk (1979) was not a "lab leak." It was likely an accident, but the anthrax came from an illegal, clandestine bioweapons manufacturing plant, and thus has vanishingly little relevance to any accident from any bioresearch lab https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/20/world/europe/coronavirus-lab-anthrax.html …
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        1. ItIsMash‏ @ItIsMashAgain 25 Jun 2021
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          The quest for clicks is strong in this one.

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        1. Salim Sivaad says #FreePalestineNow!‏ @SalimSivaad 25 Jun 2021
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          The word you should use is “iatrogenic”.pic.twitter.com/EhhKroFuKq

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