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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Jun 2021

      Stephen Goldstein Retweeted

      #SARSCoV2 genome public Jan 10, this preprint posted Jan 23rd. Full genome also published with the paper, including furin site. Nothing concealed. This kind of sleight of hand is being deployed by disingenuous people to make you think scary but untrue things. Don't be fooled. https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1403016030528626688 …

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      6 replies 9 retweets 57 likes
    2. Alina Chan‏Verified account @Ayjchan 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst

      WIV already had the genome by early Jan, 2020. Paper published on Feb 3 still didn't mention the FCS:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7 …

      6 replies 3 retweets 32 likes
    3. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @Ayjchan

      The point, Alina, is the genome was public before the preprint was even posted. It was impossible to hide the existence of the FCS. The fact that it wasn't shown in a figure isn't proof they tried to conceal it because it was already not concaled.

      10 replies 3 retweets 34 likes
    4. Lab leak‏ @lab_leak 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      Then why not just mention a few lines about the FCS in the paper?

      4 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
    5. Stuart Neil‏ @stuartjdneil 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @lab_leak @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      maybe that was to be the subject of a follow up. maybe they literally threw it together overnight under a lot of time pressure. Who knows? the release fo the sequence on Jan 10 made headlines around the world and gained them loads of praise for being so open before publication

      6 replies 1 retweet 18 likes
    6. Lab leak‏ @lab_leak 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @stuartjdneil @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      We're only talking about a few lines on the FCS, not an entire chapter.. Still possible under time pressure..

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    7. Stuart Neil‏ @stuartjdneil 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @lab_leak @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      I know. its very odd. But odd isn't bad. its just sloppy. and everyone is sloppy under the sort of time pressure they were under at the time

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. Lab leak‏ @lab_leak 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @stuartjdneil @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      I can't comment much on whether it is sloppy or bad at this point..

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    9. Stuart Neil‏ @stuartjdneil 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @lab_leak @stgoldst @Ayjchan

      I would point out (and I am not being antagonistic) that the reason you and others think this is odd or bizarre after the fact is that you haven't tried to work in an infection lab during the unknown viral outbreak when the whole world is screaming at you for answers.

      4 replies 1 retweet 24 likes
    10. Trevor Bedford‏Verified account @trvrb 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @stuartjdneil @lab_leak and

      Possibly germane: the competing paper by Lu et al (https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)30251-8/fulltext …) published on Jan 30 also does not mention "furin" in the text. The focus is on RBD. A paper focused on rapid genomic characterization of 2019-nCoV might legitimately not discuss FCS under time pressure.

      2 replies 2 retweets 14 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Jun 2021
      Replying to @trvrb @stuartjdneil and

      I think it’s good to acknowledge what’s odd, even when the parsimonious explanation is stressed to high heaven. That’s been a disconnect that’s created some of the difficulties, I think.

      12:29 PM - 10 Jun 2021
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        1. Dylan O'Brien Fan Girls  🇹🇷‏ @Mets_Girls 10 Jun 2021
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