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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. McKay Coppins‏Verified account @mckaycoppins 31 May 2021

      Ten years ago, the consensus held that eventually everyone would give each other a pass for old Tweets/Facebook posts. That, uh, very much hasn’t happened. Why? (This piece doesn’t have all the answers but gets at something I’ve been thinking about a lot.)https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/29/technology/emily-wilder-firing-ap.html …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Jun 2021
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      Yeah. People from the social sciences side of this were usually jaw-on-floor on this hypothesis that such things would cease to matter (David Brin had a book claiming this would happen, and I used to teach it). Better question is how did people ever think this as plausible?

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        2. Michael Brendan Dougherty‏Verified account @michaelbd 1 Jun 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @mckaycoppins

          They thought it was plausible because it was obvious that a world of merciless retroactive norm enforcement by digital mobs is clearly unpleasant and unworkable.

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        3. Poi is in (and leaving) NYC 22 Jan to 8 Feb‏ @poiThePoi 1 Jun 2021
          Replying to @michaelbd @zeynep @mckaycoppins

          Only if you're conservative or liberal or Communist?

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Jun 2021
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          I just encountered some slides of mine from a talk in 2008! The points there are basic and obvious. But they were basic and obvious in 2008. "People will remain people" is a pretty strong hypothesis that gets you far. 😃 https://ebiquity.umbc.edu/_file_directory_/resources/247.ppt …pic.twitter.com/MRoEkbWEpq

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        2. gattsuru‏ @gattsuru 1 Jun 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @mckaycoppins

          1) Low duration/low findability was kinda a reasonable assumption even into the mid-00s. Link rot's most obvious, with few Web1.0 'social' sites lasting 5y, but jargon and the difficulty of identifying or even storing/downloading image data at scale, all increased friction.

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        3. gattsuru‏ @gattsuru 1 Jun 2021
          Replying to @gattsuru @zeynep @mckaycoppins

          2) It /genuinely was/ freeing for a few groups. LGBT stuff is the most obvious, as highly stigmatized or even legally banned that also found huge support. But the furry fandom, early internet atheism, gunnies, all generated communities for people that often didn't have them.

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        2. McKay Coppins‏Verified account @mckaycoppins 1 Jun 2021
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          I think the "mutually assured destruction" idea convinced a lot of people.

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        3. Derek Thompson‏Verified account @DKThomp 1 Jun 2021
          Replying to @mckaycoppins @zeynep

          I had heard it as akin to inflation. If it’s generally understood that everybody has the equivalent of a problematic Halloween costume photo from sophomore year, the value of that shame token declines as supply increases Instead it’s just made us into problematic detectives

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