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    1. Joseph Allen‏ @j_g_allen 19 May 2021

      2 new studies show hospitalization rates of kids in 2 CA hospitals overestimated by at least 40% Why? "incidental diagnosis" eg, child at hosp for fracture, gets routine covid test, is (+) but asymptomatic. Incorrectly counted as hospitalized *for* covidhttps://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/study-number-of-kids-hospitalized-for-covid-is-overcounted.html …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 May 2021
      Replying to @j_g_allen

      Eek

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    3. Hold2‏ @Hold2LLC 19 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @j_g_allen

      Zenyep, does your "eek" mean you didn't already know this was happening in large quantities for all ages ever since funding started being provided to hospitals for COVID diagnoses or just that you are acknowledging it's an unfortunate situation that has yet to be rectified?

      3 replies 1 retweet 62 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 May 2021
      Replying to @Hold2LLC @j_g_allen

      Hospitalized kids are a very small group and I’d have expected more precision. (No, it’s not the same in adults.)

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    5. Ramin Farzaneh-Far MD‏ @rfsquared 19 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @Hold2LLC @j_g_allen

      I’ll bet it is. If you screen every hospital admission for SarsCoV2 nasopharyngeal carriage by pcr you will inevitably overcount hospitalizations+deaths. Unless the driver was severe pneumonia, ARDS, or pulmonary embolism, then the default should be hospitalized “with” not “for”

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2021
      Replying to @rfsquared @Hold2LLC @j_g_allen

      Copy of response to Berenson because he, as usual, misrepresented so it's here: "Adults are a much larger and diverse category compared to children. That’s how they’re different—harder to sort through due to sheer size if nothing else."

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2021
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      Hospital codes are messy but can be sorted through. (Your list would limit to severe/advanced cases, there's dyspnea, fever etc.) Plus the guideline, of course, has ways to distinguish primary diagnoses. (I'm not asserting anything about the practice). https://www.aha.org/system/files/media/file/2020/04/ICD10CMCodingforCOVID19FINALHandoutsandCE_1.pdf …

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        2. Ramin Farzaneh-Far MD‏ @rfsquared 20 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Hold2LLC @j_g_allen

          Absent irrational panic, only “severe/advanced cases” should be hospitalized!

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 20 May 2021
          Replying to @rfsquared @Hold2LLC @j_g_allen

          You defined it too narrowly, otherwise high-risk patients with dyspnea fever etc. have been admitted. I'm not a hospital coding expert, but there is clearly instructions/methods on how to distinguish primary diagnoses from incidental positives.

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