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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Kevin Stewart‏ @stewak2 18 May 2021

      Kevin Stewart Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Great, great articlehttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1394654982692122627 …

      Kevin Stewart added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Today's @insight is a brilliant guest essay by @dylanhmorris explaining why novelty of this pathogen is so deeply related to everything we've been wondering about: variants, vaccine breakthrough cases, children, Long Covid, endemicity and more. https://www.theinsight.org/p/novelty-means-severity-the-key-to … pic.twitter.com/mMuVVAwd4Q
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    2. Virál Myālgía MD, PhD‏ @contrarian4data 18 May 2021
      Replying to @stewak2

      I wish he had discussed the increasing evidence (>1y) of immunity to cross-reactive epitopes mitigates severity. First population level study (not well written though): https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/146316 …

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    3. Virál Myālgía MD, PhD‏ @contrarian4data 18 May 2021
      Replying to @contrarian4data @stewak2

      I also think this is not a robust take: "[claims that we should not vaccinate children against SARS-CoV-2 because most pediatric cases are mild miss the point...a small percentage of severe cases multiplied by a very large number...can be a large number of severe cases."

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    4. Kevin Stewart‏ @stewak2 18 May 2021
      Replying to @contrarian4data

      I think it's fair. The valid argument to me, at this time, is that in a time of constrained vaccine availability, children should not be a high priority, but eventually, I think, this will be a routine childhood vaccination.

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    5. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 18 May 2021
      Replying to @stewak2 @contrarian4data

      He's arguing against a strawman to some extent (not many are arguing we just generally not vaccinate children) but his point here is, I think, confused, and would suggest, for example, that the wisdom of vaccinating children in a country would depend on the size of the country.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 May 2021
      Replying to @WesPegden @stewak2 @contrarian4data

      No, the point is about the total number of children that might suffer severe consequences, globally, not about the population fraction in one place. (And it's orthogonal to reasonable & important debate about global prioritization of the vulnerable while supplies are limited.)

      11:53 AM - 18 May 2021
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        2. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 18 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stewak2 @contrarian4data

          After upfront costs (mostly done in the present case) both benefits and risks scale with population size. The size of the world's population does not feature prominently in the analysis of cost-benefit tradeoffs of interventions in the way I think he is suggesting.

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        3. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 18 May 2021
          Replying to @WesPegden @zeynep and

          For example, the wisdom of closing schools in response to an epidemic might depend on various characteristics of a country/pathogen. The overall size of the country's population, however, would not usually feature strongly in the calculation unless as a proxy for other variables.

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        1. Virál Myālgía MD, PhD‏ @contrarian4data 18 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @WesPegden @stewak2

          In an open system, pushing on a bag of water on one side distributes the pressure elsewhere. It's a crude metaphor, but after 15 months of this, I would appreciate seeing more multi-dimensional takes on COVID-19.

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