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    1. Michael Maiello‏Verified account @MichaelMaiello 15 May 2021

      Michael Maiello Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      This kind of thinking bothers me. If the truth is that fully vaccinated people have reduced their risk and masks are unnecessary, the CDC owes us that blunt assessment. No more "noble lies" in the hopes of swaying public behavior.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1393322817958055937 …

      Michael Maiello added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @EricMeyerowitz
      The problem is the sociology: it's not enforceable anymore. Indoors (like in grocery stores) it's all or nothing, to be honest. The people refusing to vaccinate, for example, are not likely to be voluntarily wearing mask. So my worry isn't transmission from the vaccinated.
      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 May 2021
      Replying to @MichaelMaiello

      My thinking has no "noble lie" in it. In fact, as I write, I'd like the CDC to say it all explicitly. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/opinion/coronavirus-masks-vaccines.html …pic.twitter.com/EFxExbQYK5

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @MichaelMaiello

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Including in my thread, and if you look at my work for months, I keep repeating this. I'd appreciate the correction, because saying "sociology of it is important" is about enforcement considerations, not AT ALL about lying to the public. The opposite.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1393314146997972994 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      I'm on board with the "the vaccinated have lowered their personal risk back to baseline" but there's more to indoor mask mandates than that, including sociological factors. Many just became eligible! Even access isn't fully solved. Not sure about this hurry, this week.
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    4. Michael Maiello‏Verified account @MichaelMaiello 15 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I'm missing the distinction. You say you're "not sure about the hurry." Shouldn't it be that the gov't release information as it's available? I get that there are enforcement considerations, access issues, etc. But it seems a lie of ommission if you hold back basic info.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 May 2021
      Replying to @MichaelMaiello

      You’re not reading what I wrote. I am advocating releasing more info. That’s not the same as saying there are sociological considerations to enforcement.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @MichaelMaiello

      Completely possible to say the vaccinated are back to baseline risk, but we can’t enforce masks by vaccination status indoors yet and it’s too soon because many states opened up eligibility too recently for everyone who wanted one to complete the process, for example.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Michael Maiello‏Verified account @MichaelMaiello 15 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Right, but the central fact here, which we agree on, is that the fully vaxxed are fine. Shouldn't government policy reflect that?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 May 2021
      Replying to @MichaelMaiello

      Yes. And I've been saying that for a long time. Enforcement and timing still matter. Can say "the fully vaccinated should proceed freely in their private lives, indoors or outdoors but we can't check vaccine cards at grocery stores and not everyone has had a chance yet."

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        2. Michael Maiello‏Verified account @MichaelMaiello 15 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          You still have the gov't requiring some people to do things they don't really need to do. Also, I don't think we're heading towards a world where they check your vaccine card at the grocery store. I'd support it, sure, but there's no political will for it.

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        3. Michael Maiello‏Verified account @MichaelMaiello 15 May 2021
          Replying to @MichaelMaiello @zeynep

          Also, on reflection, the word “enforcement” is odd in this context.

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