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    1. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      96/ Lidia Morawska organized an international group of scientists to talk to @WHO, which we did on 3-Apr-2020. I found that meeting shocking, couldn't get my head around why the @WHO experts were SOOOO dismissive of airborne.

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    2. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      97/ @Don_Milton said the super-strong anti-airborne prejudice was due to history and this Chapin fellow. I was very perplexed. But I started reading on the history and talking to people. And I learned in the last year what I have told you today.

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    3. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      98/ So yours truly and 100s of scientists have spent the last year working on this, as exemplified by this depiction:pic.twitter.com/Uurl423qiU

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    4. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      99/ Cleary droplet theory is sinking, unable to explain the observations. Still its proponents are resorting to the equivalent of epicycles, trying to save a failing theory by adding patches like "situational airborne" But Thomas Kuhn is coming for them w/ a paradigm shift...pic.twitter.com/tAzBqDKgCt

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    5. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      100/ Our work is not done. It is critical to tell the world loud and clear that this virus is airborne, 1-on-1 in close proximity and 1-to-several in shared room air. The message, and the changes in mitigations, have not arrived to many countries, or not clearly.

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    6. Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez‏Verified account @jljcolorado 8 May 2021

      101/ OK, I'll leave it there for today. But if you made it to here, please answer this question. Should I do something with this thread?

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    7. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 9 May 2021
      Replying to @jljcolorado

      Seems to me that the 1980 Langmuir paper laid out a different path out, even if the Chapin model was inherently dominant. Sociologically, I think its important that by that time hospital epidemiology was more dominant within the field of infection control.

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    8. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 9 May 2021
      Replying to @avizvizenilman @jljcolorado

      In 2012 you still had people like Nolti at NIOSH--who ended up writing the mask guidance for CDC in Feb--noting aerosolized influenza.

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    9. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 9 May 2021
      Replying to @avizvizenilman @jljcolorado

      To me, a core question is why SARS-1 didn't crack the paradigm--that seems like a key turning point, where concerns about aerosolization were beaten back because "droplet precautions" worked.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 May 2021
      Replying to @avizvizenilman @jljcolorado

      (Jose, Avi is one of my incredible research assistants). Yes a fascinating question why the western world didn’t figure out after SARS. I looked some at that, and my current sense is they did close contact therefore droplets conflation and ignored the many obvious violations.+

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 May 2021
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      And since the epidemic was overdispersed, you need a large sample to get the kind of statistical power and obviousness stand out. Most things “work” simply because there’s no transmission anyway. And then the epidemic died so they ignored it. Evidence is clear in retrospect.

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        1. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 9 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jljcolorado

          Yeah should be clear that the post-SARS argument was as follows: People in Hong Kong hospitals wore surgical masks--"droplet precautions"--and there weren't multiple major outbreaks in hospitals. Therefore: droplets!

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