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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 May 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Daniel Uhlfelder

      It’s been more than a year since I wrote my first article on why outdoors is much safer and we should open parks/beaches to help lessen deaths. Not a single known beach cluster. Outdoor transmission is very low outside of prolonged close contact—kinda how he harasses strangers.https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1388464992379445248 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

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      Daniel Uhlfelder @DWUhlfelderLaw
      One year anniversary of emergence of Florida Grim Reaper! pic.twitter.com/Iuxdp4U5Bb
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    2. Rachel Bitecofer  📈 🔭 🍌‏Verified account @RachelBitecofer 1 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      True, but we do know the crowded FL beach scenes led to/leads to increased transmission. I'll give you that normal beaching is just fine- which is why the ONE THING I did last summer was take my Little to our locals-only beach spot where there was plenty of distance.

      7 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 May 2021
      Replying to @RachelBitecofer

      No we don’t. If you mean auxiliary activities like indoor bars, by all means go there. Is there even a single beach transmission? That air and wind and UV? That space?

      9 replies 2 retweets 149 likes
    4. Evan Ashcroft‏ @crashtacky 1 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @RachelBitecofer

      With respect, I'm not sure the bars are "auxiliary" to beach attendance.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 May 2021
      Replying to @crashtacky @RachelBitecofer

      Many beaches are in large cities where people live. If you want to advocate for closing bars, by all means. Go ahead. Harassing strangers engaging in the safest possible recreation in a pandemic because of assumed and not even mentioned auxiliary activity is harmful to health.

      3 replies 2 retweets 94 likes
    6. Austin‏ @Lequtis007 2 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @crashtacky @RachelBitecofer

      You can't make that statement @zeynep - you've not provided any research that corroborates your opinion of it being "safest possible recreation", you claim it's "assumed harmful activity", yet your comment of it being safe is also "assumed"...

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    7. Josh‏ @SlykhuisJoshua 2 May 2021
      Replying to @Lequtis007 @zeynep and

      You can’t prove a negative. I can’t prove it doesn’t spread at a beach other then point out there have been 0 confirmed cases of spread at the beach. Think of them as BLM protests. The virus doesn’t spread at them.

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    8. Austin‏ @Lequtis007 2 May 2021
      Replying to @SlykhuisJoshua @zeynep and

      That's not proving a negative, she's made a claim and hasn't provided evidence.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 May 2021
      Replying to @Lequtis007 @SlykhuisJoshua and

      It is so well-known that it is uncontroversial at this point. Here's an article I co-authored (peer-reviewed) and that has references. We used the upper upper boundary in the piece, but the raw numbers are between 0.1% to 1% for outdoors.https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1036 …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 May 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @Lequtis007 and

      Ireland found about that number—0.1% of all transmission, maybe 1% if you assume undercounting. Most outdoor transmission cases are places like construction sites--prolonged close contact. I can't keep proving the most basic facts a google search away.https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40259441.html …

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        2. Austin‏ @Lequtis007 2 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @SlykhuisJoshua and

          Did you read the abstract for "On the concentration of SARS-CoV-2 in outdoor air and the interaction with pre-existing atmospheric particles"? It uses words like "assuming" and "rather uncertain", and "we theoretically examined"... (1/2)

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        1. Austin‏ @Lequtis007 2 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @SlykhuisJoshua and

          (2/2) - the science on outdoor transmission isn't conclusive, and to claim you know it is, is disingenuous, and inaccurate. I hope that outdoor transmission, once this is all said and done wasn't a main contributor - but precautions at this juncture are more prudent

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        1. Sumedh Bhagwat‏ @sumedhbhagwat 2 May 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Lequtis007 and

          Availability bias Most of us were indoors for last one year due to lockdown. Plus it's easier to track and trace infected in indoor settings (CCTVs , Cinema/Concert tickets , Online bookings ) So naturally transmission would mostly found indoors Outdoor sample size is small

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