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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted David Fisman

    That's because people are desperate for effective mitigation measures, and you cannot get there without explaining and centering airborne transmission. Countries with surges are *still* not distinguishing indoor/outdoor, explaining mask fit/filter etc. This isn't quibbling.https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1385241631306260490 …

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    David FismanVerified account @DFisman
    Our article on scientific reasons why SARS-2 is airborne now apparently has the 8th highest altimetric score in @TheLancet history, in 5 days. @trishgreenhalgh @jocalynclark https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext …
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

        This isn't a jargon fight. The crucial problem is the *mechanism* needs explaining in order to arrive at the right mitigations and for those to make sense. "It occurs mostly at close contact" doesn't get us there, especially without explaining the correct underlying mechanism.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

        Frankly, I wouldn't have cared which word stuck as long as the underlying transmission mechanism, and its implications, was made clear. This has not happened. We can see it around the world. FWIW, the WHO and the CDC call Tuberculosis airborne. It's their standard term for this.

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eric Topol

        Here's the Lancet paper on this (disclosure: I'm a co-author). It's true, there are a lot of misunderstandings about what "airborne" implies. We should correct all that, but have to start from the right place. It shouldn't be this hard to move forward.https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1382825519171833859 …

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        Eric TopolVerified account @EricTopol
        Airborne it is. 🦠 The 10 streams of overwhelming evidence https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext … @TheLancet by @trishgreenhalgh @kprather88 @Rschooley @zeynep @jljcolorado @dfisman a 5-★ succinct summary pic.twitter.com/Ox305pSoaU
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sandeep Ravindran

        I hear this from around the world. This is true for Turkey as well, amidst a deadly surge but still has complete curfew (NO OUTDOORS!) for weekends, and barely a mention of what airborne transmission means. This is why it's not some jargon quibble.https://twitter.com/sandeeprtweets/status/1385248772255535107 …

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        Sandeep Ravindran @sandeeprtweets
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        Airborne transmission is still not widely mentioned in India, resulting in poor mitigation and devastating consequences...even after a year and two deadly waves, there’s still way too much focus on cleaning and no differentiation between indoor and outdoor gatherings...
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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Apr 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Avtansh Agarwal

        That's tragic. Also, there are misconceptions about aerosols that generate undue fear—it doesn't mean it's necessarily like measles, that we should always wear N95s etc. The way to reduce undue fear *and* make progress is for health authorities to step up.https://twitter.com/avtansh/status/1385260846570426369 …

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        Avtansh Agarwal @avtansh
        Replying to @zeynep
        Yes, absolutely no mention of aerosols and indoor risks in Indian public health messaging. Hence, the country has operated in binaries - Either complete lockdown or everything open. Whereas a better option would have been to cut riskier indoor activities and focus on Ventilation.
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      1. 心中的太隝是毛泽東 #TeamFauci‏ @shtuiothashuvot 22 Apr 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        People won't know this, and think they're "reopening safely" because they wash their hands and adhere to distancing. And then get surprised they wind up into a cluster, all while thinking they're just outliers

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      2. Jeremy Chrysler‏ @jeremychrysler 22 Apr 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        A policy like: 1. Mandate to keep indoor air under 600 ppm CO2 or 6 ACH HEPA 2. Optional masks outside 6 feet 3. Masks required if within 6 feet 4. Emphasis on mask fit. Is simple and is better aligned with observed transmission dynamics.

        4 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
      3. Eric Stein‏ @toba 22 Apr 2021
        Replying to @jeremychrysler @zeynep

        Optional masks indoors is a horrible policy. Needs to be mandatory even at long distance for source control AND to protect wearer.

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      2. Sumedh Bhagwat‏ @sumedhbhagwat 22 Apr 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        Agree But cognitive load is very high for layman . Better to have blanket directions. Bcoz outdoors is great for solitary excercise but close contact gatherings outdoors without masks is super spreader event .

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      3. Adrian Constantin‏ @adriancjr 22 Apr 2021
        Replying to @sumedhbhagwat @zeynep

        Outdoor contact is not the big problem. The issue is that some type of outdoor gatherings inevitably generate indoor contact. E.g. beach or concert toilets are some of the most unsanitary and badly ventilated places attended by large groups of people.

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