Yeah. The point was on what it really takes to have deep, substantive critical thinking and challenge, and what devolves into games that don't. Again: I pay people way above industry rates out of my own pocket to take me down as substantively as they can.https://twitter.com/tomeclarke/status/1383395983984259076?s=20 …
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Let me add this: you have to think of it all in the context of today's public sphere and attention economy. "Devil's advocate" isn't a debate skill that's operating in a vacuum, but in a world where gamified contrarianism/DA is lucrative and rewarding.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1383410899155750916 …
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Yeh, for sure there's an interesting argument to be had here. And maybe the distinction is whether devil's advocate is a debating ploy, or whether you're actually genuinely considering an argument from a perspective that you don't already hold.
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Perhaps this is more about 'debate' as a method for exploring arguments. This wasn't something that was part of my schooling so perhaps there's some context I'm missing. Using devil's argument/steelmanning in a conversation is perhaps different to using it in a debate.
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“There is no point in arguing from the perspective of evil” is an unserious framing of her thesis (a play on the DA term itself) while simultaneously (and more worryingly) tacitly categorizing opposing views as morally invalid.
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yeah, very strange to imagine a good/evil dichotomy here
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Anyways, more often than not, those arguments are used to imply that the original argument isn’t objective or sober, when in fact, they are, and the person playing devil’s advocate is simply not informed enough to argue in the nuances of the original statement.
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