Mindless and heavily-procedural contrarianism is a plague on substantive debate and critical thinking. Lemme come up with a clever, contrarian point is too-heavily prized and it usually *displaces* the kind of debate one needs. I saw it so much this pandemic.
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Tom Clarke
Yeah. The point was on what it really takes to have deep, substantive critical thinking and challenge, and what devolves into games that don't. Again: I pay people way above industry rates out of my own pocket to take me down as substantively as they can.https://twitter.com/tomeclarke/status/1383395983984259076?s=20 …
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But the tweet Jesse screenshotted wasn't from TMC, and it wasn't making a subtle point about the skill needed to play DA, nor was it talking about arguing on social media. It was talking about the classroom, and saying students should never argue "from the perspective of evil."
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That assumed that it was usually, or often, clear what positions were "evil." And I don't see where students are supposed to get the skills TMC says are necessary to argue well and thoughtfully if not in the classroom.
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The original tweet - which again, wasn't written by TMC but RTed by her - is from a teacher who said they tell their students never to be a DA. So if you can't learn the skills in class, and you can't do it on social media (for good reasons), where do you learn them?
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There is a substantive and good broader pedagogical framework to move away from DA emphasis in teaching debate, but after the whole brouhaha the original tweeter deleted the thread. Which again shows: along with the way these platforms operate, DA needs this challenge to it.
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