If you encourage the procedural, gamified and contrarianist version that "devil's advocate" often becomes, and don't pay attention to preparation, substance and framework (like these platforms), you don't get the critical thinking you want in the world but "let's make shit up."
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You can either try to understand what she's trying to say by looking at what was in the full thread, or ask her, or just think about it, or you can screenshot it out of context and go "hurl me into the sun" and get retweets and complaints about the woke.https://twitter.com/tomeclarke/status/1383402232821866496 …
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Ah crap I screenshotted from two different threads—my mistake!— and now the other one I wanted is gone. You are right, and this is why I don't normally quote tweet. Let me correct and see if I can redo the thread.https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/1383404575172874254 …
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Hang on folks, apologies. I have become an argument and an example against quote-tweeting (yikes, lol, sorry!) in my argument against quote-tweeting and why these platforms aren't conducive to this.
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Okey dokey. To restate: I object to this because the "devil's advocate" method, especially in context of platform design, encourages empty dunking that passes as critical thinking, and "hurl me into the sun" is an almost comical example of exactly that!https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1383267303035346949 …
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Let me add this: you have to think of it all in the context of today's public sphere and attention economy. "Devil's advocate" isn't a debate skill that's operating in a vacuum, but in a world where gamified contrarianism/DA is lucrative and rewarding.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1383410899155750916 …
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Right but I've now seen this retweeted from several places--and it's just the screenshot without even the original tweeter so you have no way of seeing the nuanced argument that follows. Common Twitter problem. I only saw the full thread because I follow you.
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I have observe that the temptation to engage this way is usually just borne of laziness, or a sometimes-justified disrespect for the counterparty, neither of which are particularly good foundations for action
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Yes! All JS shows here is that it’s easy to pick holes in the surface expression of an argument, especially on twitter and especially when you don’t look at the context. It’s much harder to think deeply about what the speaker actually means, engage with and develop it.
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You say you quote tweeted him to make a point about dunking, but Jesse removed their name and didn't QT to avoid dog piling. I struggle to see how he was "dunking" on them and not just reacting to something he thought was a poor point. Not everything has to be a large discussion.
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