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    1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy 16 Apr 2021

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted 𝖑𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖔 ·  👼🏽

      More than 85,000 Likes for the notion that a student who makes a devil's-advocate argument is "arguing from the perspective of evil."https://twitter.com/vox00_/status/1383047575608119296 …

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      𝖑𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖔 ·  👼🏽 @vox00_
      I deliberately tell my students not to be devil's advocates in discussions because it normalizes disingenuous argument and leads into gaslighting. There's no point in arguing from the perspective of evil. Nothing good comes from that.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Apr 2021
      Replying to @KDbyProxy

      Devil’s advocate as it’s practiced isn’t necessarily critical thinking or the “Socratic method”. It’s too often replacing evidence and deep dive with a game, rather than something that substantive and strong. 🤷‍♀️

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        2. chloesmom‏ @Bethybear3 16 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          Disagree. It was an enjoyable dinner time activity that taught us how to discuss thoughts, ideas, and beliefs without attacking people. Society can no longer make that separation sadly.

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        3. Tariq Bought Tea ⌬‏ @iridium_tea 16 Apr 2021
          Replying to @Bethybear3 @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          That's exactly the problem: society cannot make that separation. So it's time to set "devil's advocate" arguments aside for a time until we all, first and foremost, learn to argue from substantive, sincere positions and value the roles of evidence and knowledge.

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        1. Godot‏ @GodotIsW8ing4U 16 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          Every argument is a game, always. Some have high stakes, some have low, some have none. But if you don’t practice, you can’t win.

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        2. Aurelian of Rome  ☪️‏ @AurelianofRome 16 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          What you do not know is more important than what you are certain about. Absolutely certainty about an error leads to catastrophic results because one cannot perceive that they are mistaken. This is made all the worse because one cannot be talked out of their error.

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        3. Above the fray‏ @carpeffingdiem 16 Apr 2021
          Replying to @AurelianofRome @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          This is how we got to the current “words are violence, and also, silence is violence” situation.

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        1. FearofthePenaltyKick‏ @FOTPK 17 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          If true, the solution to this is surely just "do it better"

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        2. 2 Dogs in a Trenchcoat‏ @2_trenchcoat 17 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          As opposed to...what? You think people use more pure truth seeking techniques arguing in favor of their deeply held beliefs?

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        3. 2 Dogs in a Trenchcoat‏ @2_trenchcoat 17 Apr 2021
          Replying to @2_trenchcoat @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          I'd bet you my house that on average, the quality of argument used to support beliefs one doesn't actually hold (devils advocate style) is superior to the quality of argument used to support genuinely held beliefs It's essential human nature

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        1. Yasmine Mohammed  🦋 ياسمين محمد‏ @YasMohammedxx 17 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          That’s the job of the educator to teach students to argue w evidence that is substantive and strong. This is so basic. I can’t believe I am typing this right now.

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        1. Antisocial Justice‏ @AntisocialJW2 17 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KDbyProxy

          Guess that’s a Devil’s Advocate argument

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