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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Apr 2021

      CNN article on how to safely fly claims that 90% vaccine efficacy means that🙄 for every million who fly, we could have 100,000 infections. NO NO NO. That’s not what that number means. Also, this didn’t even happen when millions flew unvaccinated. So how could it make sense now?pic.twitter.com/4MLW5oFw4f

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Apr 2021

      I realize it’s tough. Everyone is suddenly writing about the pandemic, no matter what their topic. And vaccine efficacy is a relative measure, so those are always pesky. But we’ve had the vaccines for many months now, and by now one would hope for a slightly better understanding.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Apr 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Aaron Astor

      Yeah. That’s why it isn’t a good way to represent the risk of flying even if you could concoct a scenario under which you can imagine that number.https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1381225496067899392 …

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      Aaron Astor @AstorAaron
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      Or maybe a better way to frame it is if one million people fly and covid viral particles are literally pumped into the aircraft cabin for the duration of a flight, 100,000 could become infected.
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        1. Brad Stulberg‏Verified account @BStulberg 11 Apr 2021
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          Again: No one stops to gawk at the fender bender. Everyone stops to gawk at the massive pile-up. Massive pile-ups are far more valuable for most news outlets. (See @freep story you commented on a few days back, and so many others.)

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        1. Roy Cooper's Muppet Eyebrows‏ @coolguybass 11 Apr 2021
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          It has shocked me throughout this how lacking we are in math, probability and basic data analysis we are across the board. Kinda understand journalism but still -- they should fact check with someone who does. It's been irresponsible.

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        1. Zain Chagla‏Verified account @zchagla 11 Apr 2021
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          LOVE this example.

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        1. Jim Lynch‏ @jimlynch9999 11 Apr 2021
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          Even math-y journalists are bad at math.

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        2. Reuben Rodriguez‏ @ReubenR80027912 11 Apr 2021
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          Even that is too bearish! The vaccine is 90-95% effective at stopping *severe cases* Ppl, that means getting an infection in April 2020 is NOT going to be same as getting Covid in 2019 in the exceedingly rare event you actually get it!

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        3. Reuben Rodriguez‏ @ReubenR80027912 11 Apr 2021
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          Ugh, *getting Covid in April 2021 will not be same as April 2020 (if you’re vaxxed)

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        2. Filippo ${jndi:ldap://filippo.io/t} Valsorda‏Verified account @FiloSottile 11 Apr 2021
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          Maybe a good framing would be that for every 1,000,000 vaccinated people that fly, it's as if 100,000 people were flying. Still doesn't account for the milder effects in vaccinated people, but close to what the efficacy number means, and lets us compare with pre-vaccine numbers.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Apr 2021
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          But that probably won’t communicate, either, because 100,000 people flying is still pretty low risk, because of ventilation, even without vaccination. That’s what the article is avoiding saying even though the rest of it isn’t bad if you read it sentence by sentence.

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        1. Polifun Pwonk‏ @PPwonk 11 Apr 2021
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          The scenario they concocted is one where a flight attendant walks around with a bottle of infectious virus and sticks a juicy swab down everyone's nares before the plane takes off.

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        1. Emeryville Cat‏ @CatDwyane 11 Apr 2021
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          Really hope Covid pumping through the air vents is not included in my flight today 😂

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