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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

      Read and weep how the Skagit choir superspreading outbreak, first in the US, was ignored or explained away as maybe fomites or contact—a theory that required contortions that'd make epicycles blush—despite are-you-kidding-me obvious airborne transmission. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/08/magazine/skagit-valley-chorale-covid-superspreader.html …pic.twitter.com/DLO7UBqco9

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

      I remember reading—essentially, jaw-on-the-floor—assertions for months on how it could be snack sharing or chair stacking despite how, even the initial reports made it pretty clear how careful choir members were, and how unlikely contact alone could explain numbers of that kind.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

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      I say the below without excluding myself whatsoever because this has been the biggest struggle for me, too, throughout this pandemic, but I believe this has haunted our response on the science side—and social media has made it both easier and harder.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1379841672490651648 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      I'm increasingly convinced that clear thinking is primarily a struggle against motivated reasoning, with most everything else we tend to see as important and central instead playing a supporting role in that fight.
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

      To recap, 61 careful, pandemic-aware people showed up at a huge space—distanced, no hugs, hand-sanitizers everywhere—and 53 of them got infected in *one evening*. They even propped the door open to avoid knob touching. And we got told that it was maybe fomites or snack sharing.pic.twitter.com/s4f3vaIDcy

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    5. Rob Liguori‏ @robxlii 9 Apr 2021
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      Hamner's initial report also mentioned aerosol transmission, though. It's just that the narrative became fomites and droplets. (Disclosure: I worked on this story.)

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021
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      Yeah, been there the whole time. Aerosols got acknowledged begrudgingly—when it could no longer be denied or seen as AGP-driven—and as something after droplet/fomite considerations. Effective mitigation requires realizing this is likely the primary route, not afterthought.

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        2. Rob Liguori‏ @robxlii 9 Apr 2021
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          Oh, I agree 100%. My only point is just that the lead health scientist working on that case explicitly noted the possibility of aerosol transmission, and then the media just ...kind of ignored it.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021
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          Well, a lot of experts and WHO were very explicitly pushing in the other direction. Also in this case aerosols weren't just "a possibility", it was clearly the only sensible main theory, and everything else a remote, remote unlikely thing to keep in mind.

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