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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

      Read and weep how the Skagit choir superspreading outbreak, first in the US, was ignored or explained away as maybe fomites or contact—a theory that required contortions that'd make epicycles blush—despite are-you-kidding-me obvious airborne transmission. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/08/magazine/skagit-valley-chorale-covid-superspreader.html …pic.twitter.com/DLO7UBqco9

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

      I remember reading—essentially, jaw-on-the-floor—assertions for months on how it could be snack sharing or chair stacking despite how, even the initial reports made it pretty clear how careful choir members were, and how unlikely contact alone could explain numbers of that kind.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          I say the below without excluding myself whatsoever because this has been the biggest struggle for me, too, throughout this pandemic, but I believe this has haunted our response on the science side—and social media has made it both easier and harder.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1379841672490651648 …

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          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          I'm increasingly convinced that clear thinking is primarily a struggle against motivated reasoning, with most everything else we tend to see as important and central instead playing a supporting role in that fight.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

          To recap, 61 careful, pandemic-aware people showed up at a huge space—distanced, no hugs, hand-sanitizers everywhere—and 53 of them got infected in *one evening*. They even propped the door open to avoid knob touching. And we got told that it was maybe fomites or snack sharing.pic.twitter.com/s4f3vaIDcy

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted girldetectivex

          There is nothing wrong with hand-washing. It's general good practice. What is wrong has been the very lengthy official and expert lack of acknowledgment and proper prioritization of the obvious and, crucially, big role of aerosols & airborne transmission.https://twitter.com/GirlDetectiveX/status/1380543170451279873 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          girldetectivex @GirlDetectiveX
          Replying to @zeynep
          Can I ask you, candidly, how important you consider handwashing to be at this point? I'm really hyperfixated on the airborne components of the virus and continue to be wary of indoor spaces, despite being fully vaccinated.
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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Prof. Jose-Luis Jimenez

          Tragic—maybe fomites did contribute to this pandemic, but by diverting our scarce resources and attention away from primary drivers of transmission. (Dr. Jimenez is among the top scientists working on aerosols and COVID, and great for practical advice).https://twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1380344141519929345 …

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          Prof. Jose-Luis JimenezVerified account @jljcolorado
          .@DGBassani has figured out the real way in which fomites DO contribute to infection: By distracting us from the real airborne transmission, and making us waste effort on the wrong mitigation measures. https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1380318217432920065 …
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        2. halvorz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯‏ @halvorz 9 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          wow, somehow I missed all of this, everybody I was reading was like yeah obviously this was aerosol

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Apr 2021
          Replying to @halvorz

          It was incredible. There was a huge amount of pushback, speculation about chair-stacking, snack sharing whatnot and, frankly, a lot of undue snark on social media, and a lot of "why aren't you considering all the possibilities" from people in positions of official power.

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        1. Donnie Loved to Surf‏ @ryanol 9 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Everybody on that covid discord on reddit knew it was airborne in mid February. It was like watching a slow motion disaster the way the WHO handled it initially.

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        2. Jasnah Kholin - 8964 - ACAB -  💉 💉‏ @wanderer_jasnah 9 Apr 2021
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          it was the Amsterdam men's choir a few weeks prior that made me all-but-certain this was aerosol superspreading, but Skagit sure as hell cemented it. how it didn't do the same for, like, bloody everyone else is baffling to me, in all honesty.

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        3. VioletFemme‏ @FemmeVoilet 12 Apr 2021
          Replying to @wanderer_jasnah @zeynep

          This is bizarre to me - in our country we have been aware of aerosol transmission since approximately May last year. Singing and church were particularly dangerous as both expelling of germs when singing and confined space packed with people. Same with indoor sport & cheering.

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        2. Mark Simpson‏ @marksimpson82 9 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Around the same period, various old studies were doing rounds about flu/bird flu wrt. long-range airborne transmission & ventilation. One showed office workers at opposite end of floor being infected w/ no close contact. Various govs seem to have focused on hand-washing

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        3. Mark Simpson‏ @marksimpson82 9 Apr 2021
          Replying to @marksimpson82 @zeynep

          UK government finally adopted "fresh air" into their "hands, face, space" slogan after a year. As you said, evidence was there and was fairly cast-iron. I guess finding clarity in a pandemic is difficult, and people may revert to providing 'safe' advice, even if ineffective.

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