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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021

    There was recently a claim (in Nature!) that increased vaccination may not help us reach herd immunity because "people will increase their interactions". Real life data says: as vaccination rates increased, rates of infection among the unvaccinated under 16-year-olds *decreased.*pic.twitter.com/0xGuLApxrl

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021

        I don't why it's so easy to believe this idea (with us since seat belts, at least) that the benefits of something that works to greatly increase safety will be undone by people becoming so reckless that it overwhelms the safety benefit, but it seems so pervasive.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021

        Anyway, when many people in a community are vaccinated, those who cannot yet be vaccinated (like young people for whom we don't yet have vaccines, but will soon) are less likely to be infected. It's exactly what one should expect, but nice to see a paper. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.21254394v1 …pic.twitter.com/sD5kThfQmU

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted (((Rob Mickey)))

        Indeed. But as decades of research reveals, well, safety devices increase safety, and most things kinda work in straightforward ways. Poverty is alleviated by—gasp—money, health is improved by effective vaccines, seatbelts make cars safer, etc.https://twitter.com/robmickey/status/1379560718744305669 …

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        (((Rob Mickey))) @robmickey
        Many people--especially economists--fall in love with critiques of policy that emphasize perverse, ironic outcomes. These critiques are excellent for highlighting their cleverness, and also for reinforcing their opposition to state action. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1379559800963481600 …
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Linch

        Yes. I am not denying that a second order effect could, sometimes, overwhelm a first order effect, but it's a bit reach and an epistemic move one should approach with great suspicion unless data is strong and mechanism actually realistic etc.https://twitter.com/LinchZhang/status/1379561073234178051 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Linch @LinchZhang
        The broad epistemic move here (that I criticized elsewhere) is having overly high initial credence in 2nd order effects over 1st order effects, 3rd order effects over 2nd order, etc, or even more broadly an issue with believing in effects that are "too clever. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1379559800963481600 …
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      2. dragonfly in flight  💉 💉 💉‏ @dragonfly_in_ca 6 Apr 2021
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        Will it? As we have increased vaccination, the virus has to look for new hosts... and younger ppl would increasingly fill that role. I'm seeing crazy behavior in youth sports, for example.

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      1. Fledgeling Feminist‏ @fledgelingfem 6 Apr 2021
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        So this is like when I was growing up a conservative white evangelical kid and our parents wouldn’t let us get the HPV vaccine because it might make us slutty.

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      2. Steven Klaiber-Noble‏ @snoble 6 Apr 2021
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        And drivers with seat belts with drive more recklessly. And cyclists with helmets will act as if they are invincible.

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      3. From Chicago‏ @FromChicagoland 6 Apr 2021
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        No.

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      2. Dr. Benedicte Callan‏ @benedictecallan 6 Apr 2021
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        Nope

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