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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      Yep! I don't like the "I'll that bet" things, because it seems like a stunt, but I'd take a five figure bet (for a global health charity of anyone's choice) against the prediction variants making vaccines "ineffective" (circumventing totality of immune response) in the next year.

      1 reply 1 retweet 59 likes
    2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

      Same. And even if that were to somehow happen, defying *checks notes* the entire history of vaccines, we can easily make boosters. While there is a bit of a problem with minimizing variant concerns as well, the idea that this would happen before we could respond is not realistic.

      6 replies 1 retweet 71 likes
    3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      I've been trying to convey the concept of correlates of protection, which we haven't defined yet for these vaccines. Because antibody neutralization is generally important, people treat it as if it's an established correlate of protection. It's not. But hard to explain.

      2 replies 1 retweet 25 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      I haven't watched the segment & maybe the discussion was more nuanced, but I'd really hope that we're not "a little more" mutation away from losing effective vaccines and having vaccines that "no longer work"? This claim is not uncommon on traditional media as far as I can tell.pic.twitter.com/pdcLhAmFpy

      4 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    5. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

      Disappointing. It’s good to promote continued NPI while we give vaccination a chance to get this under control, but this seems overly fear-inducing and not evidence-based.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @notdred @angie_rasmussen and

      Yeah. I just kinda joked on an another thread, I'm very much "Ms. Red Team for Tail Risk" and they lost me. I have far more realistic terrible scenarios such as "we have effective vaccines and rich countries get most of them while everyone else suffers greatly for another year+".

      1 reply 1 retweet 26 likes
    7. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

      Go back to summer 2020. To hope for #COVID19 #vaccines that worked this well was broadly taken as over-optimistic, a dream. We didn't even know a vax--mRNA or otherwise---would work at all. We need to continue to put big-picture performance in perspective.

      1 reply 2 retweets 9 likes
    8. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @ClancyNeil @zeynep and

      Part of the problem here is doubling down on the “if we don’t control the disease we’ll get ever-worsening variants” message.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    9. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @notdred @zeynep and

      or opposite could happen. need to be on message that 3 vax's in US work extraordinarily well-e..g., far better than most common vax's, antibiotic Rx of most common infns, other routine medical Rxs. best attack vs #COVID19 caused by any type of SARS-CoV-2 is rapid & widespread vax

      1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
    10. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @ClancyNeil @zeynep and

      Agreed. People don’t really appreciate how amazing these vaccines are.

      2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @notdred @ClancyNeil and

      I have friends around the world who don't have access to vaccines, & I'm more worried about them *now* than pretty much anytime last year. The risk is here—likely worse—for the unvaccinated. "Fairly unlikely bad vaccine future scenario prominently in the news" is really jarring.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

          I think the worst part is that both of these things are and are not true. Yes, we will likely see variants emerge and NPIs remain important. But no, "mutations mutating just a little more" is not the concern. We do need to continue with NPIs *and* focus on global vaccination.

          1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
        3. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

          Exactly. It’s a problem but it shouldn’t be overemphasized/misapplied to support the priors of the speaker.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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