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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @notdred @RidleyDM and

      I have come to the same conclusion. Over and over again that particular "expert" (who is actually not well-credentialed in terms of infectious disease) has referred to variants as completely "escaping" immunity. Antibody neutralization is not synonymous with functional immunity.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      That part is certainly true. That said, I'm not highlighting others (point isn't to create social media pile-ons) but I've seen versions of: completely escaping/useless/renders ineffective pretty broadly claimed, on TV/media/here (by credentialed folks).

      1 reply 0 retweets 26 likes
    3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

      I have too, but I have to say most virologists/immunologists/vaccinologists/ID epis/ID physicians I've seen take pains to get this right. They can be misquoted, which is also a problem. It's hard to explain that PRNT50 assays don't translate to functional immunity.

      1 reply 0 retweets 26 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted WebMD

      Yeah. Example of what many ordinary people are seeing. I mean, sure, let's not let this @#!! freely explore the full fitness landscape through an unchecked epidemic—and we have boosters in the works—but what on earth? (It comes from an ill-sampled survey).https://twitter.com/WebMD/status/1377417935703052292 …

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      The world has a year or less before variants make current COVID vaccines ineffective, scientists predict. https://wb.md/3fI8U3V  pic.twitter.com/HN2tuSPlnI
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    5. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

      I especially loathe the trend of polling a non-random sample of (insert experts here) and presenting it as if it's a reliable forecast of what's to come. Certainly new variants are a possibility, but that's not set in stone. We can do something about that!

      2 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
    6. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      This would be much more productive if we focused messaging on the actions we can take to mitigate the risk of new variants emerging: reduce transmission, increase immunization.

      2 replies 1 retweet 36 likes
    7. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      And I am very suspicious of the actual expertise of anyone who thinks variants will evolve that can completely circumvent the totality of the immune response next month/quarter/year.

      5 replies 10 retweets 92 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      Yep! I don't like the "I'll that bet" things, because it seems like a stunt, but I'd take a five figure bet (for a global health charity of anyone's choice) against the prediction variants making vaccines "ineffective" (circumventing totality of immune response) in the next year.

      1 reply 1 retweet 59 likes
    9. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred and

      Same. And even if that were to somehow happen, defying *checks notes* the entire history of vaccines, we can easily make boosters. While there is a bit of a problem with minimizing variant concerns as well, the idea that this would happen before we could respond is not realistic.

      6 replies 1 retweet 71 likes
    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      I've been trying to convey the concept of correlates of protection, which we haven't defined yet for these vaccines. Because antibody neutralization is generally important, people treat it as if it's an established correlate of protection. It's not. But hard to explain.

      2 replies 1 retweet 25 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @notdred and

      I haven't watched the segment & maybe the discussion was more nuanced, but I'd really hope that we're not "a little more" mutation away from losing effective vaccines and having vaccines that "no longer work"? This claim is not uncommon on traditional media as far as I can tell.pic.twitter.com/pdcLhAmFpy

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        2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          Disappointing. It’s good to promote continued NPI while we give vaccination a chance to get this under control, but this seems overly fear-inducing and not evidence-based.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @notdred @angie_rasmussen and

          Yeah. I just kinda joked on an another thread, I'm very much "Ms. Red Team for Tail Risk" and they lost me. I have far more realistic terrible scenarios such as "we have effective vaccines and rich countries get most of them while everyone else suffers greatly for another year+".

          1 reply 1 retweet 26 likes
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        1. nailbomb3‏ @nailbomb3 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          sigh. this is getting really frustrating. with vaccine hesitancy already fairly high, does she think this is a HELPFUL thing to say?

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        1. JM.‏ @jeffm1981 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          Dr Ranney is a great ER doc. But let’s be clear: she is an ER doc. Not an immunologist or a virologist. This is not her expertise. This is why getting info on variants from cable news is a bad idea.

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        1. Manu Rivera‏ @manuriv93285316 6 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          This is why I can’t watch the news anymore, between the death ticker, the constant negativity, it is just noise to me at this point. I understand it gets them viewers and panic sells but it is extrmely unprodictive and disingenous.

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