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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Hold2‏ @Hold2LLC 4 Apr 2021

      Hold2 Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      I am not often wowed on Twitter in this direction (very positive). Zeynep says what I've been trying to preach to anyone who will listen "We are being epistemologically over-confident" (e.g. masks, NPIs) which leads to "lack of curiosity/research" (e.g. seasonality)https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1378757555820888070 …

      Hold2 added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @statesdj @BillHanage
      I totally agree. There are clearly big unknowns here that are being somewhat ignored—to put it less diplomatically. I feel like we are being epistemologically over-confident which is fueling lack of curiosity/research into deeply relevant and quite interesting remaining puzzles.
      7 replies 7 retweets 105 likes
    2. Scott‏ @Scott_in_BK 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @Hold2LLC

      Scott Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      She also claimed yesterday that the hypothesis that masks might increase spread due to overestimation of their protective power was "thoroughly debunked", without citing any sources The blue checks still won't question the evidence on maskshttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1377992014244028420?s=19 …

      Scott added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @Scott_in_BK
      That’s been debunked, thoroughly.
      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @Scott_in_BK @Hold2LLC

      Because that thesis has come up for four decades against every safety device, has been thoroughly debunked every time, and also came up this time, and got data debunked again, I wrote it in papers and articles, and am writing more. At some point, I can't keep tweeting against it.

      6 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Hold2‏ @Hold2LLC 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Zeynep, you're saying the community masking of healthy people (e.g. kids for 5 hours in cloth masks) cannot possibly increase infections? This has been debunked? I have not seen anything like that. Can you point me to it? What I saw was this from the WHO and NIH (both in 2020).pic.twitter.com/L5DujxzOF2

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
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      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Scott

      Yes the below had been thoroughly debunked. +https://twitter.com/Scott_in_BK/status/1378816617094782978 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Scott @Scott_in_BK
      Replying to @Hold2LLC
      She also claimed yesterday that the hypothesis that masks might increase spread due to overestimation of their protective power was "thoroughly debunked", without citing any sources The blue checks still won't question the evidence on masks https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1377992014244028420?s=19 …
      5:53 PM - 4 Apr 2021
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Hold2LLC

          The below is a study comparing barely washed cloth masks *to surgical masks* and not to no masks, and the author has clarified it so many times since that they put a note on top of the article.

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        3. Hold2‏ @Hold2LLC 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes, I know. That doesn't change the basis for the comment. Why would self-contamination be less likely for those same reasons in the community and with kids wearing them for hours?

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Hold2LLC

          And that WHO committee report laundry lists everything, and those are studies of medical workers in medical settings. Yes, by all means, a person working in an Ebola ward could self-infect through inappropriate doffing. Not applicable to NO masks—clearly and obviously worse.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Hold2LLC

          There are questions and issues. But not those.

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        1. Hold2‏ @Hold2LLC 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I haven't ben able to find where the debunkings are. I see you saying it a few times and saying it's a thorough debunking, but I haven't seen one piece of literature yet showing community masking of healthy people does not cause infections (of any type) directly or indirectly.

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