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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021

      What I notice in this piece is the sheer number of informed people, all saying the same thing - variants mean it’s not over yethttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/health/coronavirus-variants-vaccines.html?referringSource=articleShare …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Although I’m a little worried that partial immune escape and higher transmissibility are being conflated here. The latter will speed things up (rather than prolong it, as the headline implies) and bring the next phase around *sooner* but tragically so—more infections.

      3 replies 2 retweets 84 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      So not all variants are “drawing things out.” Quite the contrary. On partial immune escape, just amazing how everyone is ignoring what *actually* happened in South Africa without widespread vaccination. It’s like the most important data doesn’t count. Baffling.

      6 replies 9 retweets 130 likes
    4. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Yes really interesting that. I have my own views on what might have produced it, but don’t have data to address the question

      3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Feels like it should get some attention??? 😁 It’s super interesting and obviously very relevant. Yet utterly missing from the “oh noes vaccines are useless against the SA variant” (which is obviously not what has been shown whatsoever but alas) message that’s now spreading.

      4 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
    6. slowphotographer‏ @slowphotograph2 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      I'm behind, here. What "has been shown" in South Africa? Thanks

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    7. Jeff Bullard‏ @JeffBullard16 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @slowphotograph2 @zeynep @BillHanage

      In S.A. daily cases dropped 95% in 5 weeks despite B.1.351 variant circulating and without vaccinations (SA has vaxed less than half of 1%). The S.A. variant is supposed to be "immune escape" variant but its been crushed by natural (infection) immunity of ~33% in the population.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @JeffBullard16 @slowphotograph2 @BillHanage

      Yeah. Partial immune escape, mostly neutralizing antibody measures, rest less clear and samples were very small with confidence intervals crossing zero. I don't have an answer. I'm just baffled how many well-credentialed experts say things like vaccines are "useless" against it.

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        2. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JeffBullard16 @slowphotograph2

          I’m actually quite frustrated at that narrative. Can’t think of many who would say useless

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        1. Adithya Ramachandran‏ @AdithyaR_YXE 4 Apr 2021
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          Yep. That kind of absolute, non-nuanced language increases confusion and vaccine hesitancy amongst laypersons, with eventual outcomes that no scientist presumably wants.

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