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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      So not all variants are “drawing things out.” Quite the contrary. On partial immune escape, just amazing how everyone is ignoring what *actually* happened in South Africa without widespread vaccination. It’s like the most important data doesn’t count. Baffling.

      6 replies 9 retweets 130 likes
    2. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Yes really interesting that. I have my own views on what might have produced it, but don’t have data to address the question

      3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Feels like it should get some attention??? 😁 It’s super interesting and obviously very relevant. Yet utterly missing from the “oh noes vaccines are useless against the SA variant” (which is obviously not what has been shown whatsoever but alas) message that’s now spreading.

      4 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
    4. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think it’s a good example of how we don’t know enough about the epidemiology of reinfections. How common they are, how severe, how infectious? Variants or not

      2 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    5. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage @zeynep

      I mean... is pretty wildpic.twitter.com/ytEbVJXaCD

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Exactly. Been talking to people about it for a while and completely baffled by apparent lack of curiosity in the “discourse” about something so striking and relevant.

      1 reply 1 retweet 16 likes
    7. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I suspect it is something to do with infectiousness of 2nd infections, but like I said, don’t have the data 😒

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      One plausible path. Or a slight forward shift in incubation period that makes it more susceptible to NPIs (that one isn't my theory).

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      Discourse: B.1.1.7 will prolong the pandemic. (It will speed it up, but tragically). South African variant makes our vaccines "useless." (Neutralizing antibodies aren't the whole immune system and can we take a look at what's happened in the one place it's dominant?") *headdesk*

      3 replies 3 retweets 21 likes
    10. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Think the reading by which B.1.1.7 can be considered to prolong is it means more immunity required, and NPIs needed for longer. But otherwise agree

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Yeah but not communicated clearly. Also, I get the "herd immunity threshold higher" point but.. that's also complicated by vaccine efficacy, plus given supply shortage and political moment/fatigue globally, in reality, it's going to mean "more infections, more quickly".

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        1. Kevin Stewart‏ @stewak2 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          Possibly a wash - higher HI threshold, but get there more quickly due to higher rate of infections. Tragedy index higher, of course.

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        2. arm and hammer and dance‏ @adambravomusic 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          Unrelated side note: who coined that term “pandemic fatigue?” I assume it’s an accurate description of how public health officers, epis, researchers, clinicians, etc., feel. But I don’t think the person on the street is “fatigued;” the feeling is more “trapped” or “prevented.”

          3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        3. Julian‏ @julianlewis2012 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @adambravomusic @zeynep @BillHanage

          If you’re dangling from your wrists in a medieval prison, is it “fatigue” or “pain that isn’t bearable any longer” that causes you to confess where your army is gathered?

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