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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021

      What I notice in this piece is the sheer number of informed people, all saying the same thing - variants mean it’s not over yethttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/health/coronavirus-variants-vaccines.html?referringSource=articleShare …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Although I’m a little worried that partial immune escape and higher transmissibility are being conflated here. The latter will speed things up (rather than prolong it, as the headline implies) and bring the next phase around *sooner* but tragically so—more infections.

      3 replies 2 retweets 84 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      So not all variants are “drawing things out.” Quite the contrary. On partial immune escape, just amazing how everyone is ignoring what *actually* happened in South Africa without widespread vaccination. It’s like the most important data doesn’t count. Baffling.

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    4. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Yes really interesting that. I have my own views on what might have produced it, but don’t have data to address the question

      3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Feels like it should get some attention??? 😁 It’s super interesting and obviously very relevant. Yet utterly missing from the “oh noes vaccines are useless against the SA variant” (which is obviously not what has been shown whatsoever but alas) message that’s now spreading.

      4 replies 3 retweets 36 likes
    6. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think it’s a good example of how we don’t know enough about the epidemiology of reinfections. How common they are, how severe, how infectious? Variants or not

      2 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    7. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage @zeynep

      I mean... is pretty wildpic.twitter.com/ytEbVJXaCD

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Exactly. Been talking to people about it for a while and completely baffled by apparent lack of curiosity in the “discourse” about something so striking and relevant.

      1 reply 1 retweet 16 likes
    9. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I suspect it is something to do with infectiousness of 2nd infections, but like I said, don’t have the data 😒

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      One plausible path. Or a slight forward shift in incubation period that makes it more susceptible to NPIs (that one isn't my theory).

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        1. Ruchira Shah‏ @ruchirads 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          What is your theory?

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        2. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I think I might know whose theory that is!

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @BillHanage

          (I am encouraging that person to either write it up or find a way to test it. A you say, we don't know but I'm just dying we aren't putting an extraordinary effort to try to tease out what on earth happened.)

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          Discourse: B.1.1.7 will prolong the pandemic. (It will speed it up, but tragically). South African variant makes our vaccines "useless." (Neutralizing antibodies aren't the whole immune system and can we take a look at what's happened in the one place it's dominant?") *headdesk*

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        3. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Think the reading by which B.1.1.7 can be considered to prolong is it means more immunity required, and NPIs needed for longer. But otherwise agree

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021

          Right, though the data/experience of last year makes it clear people react to surges outside of NPI mandates. Hence I wish there was real curiosity & a data-driven deep dive into what actually happened with this variant (rather than incorrect statements about vaccine efficacy).

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