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    1. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021

      What I notice in this piece is the sheer number of informed people, all saying the same thing - variants mean it’s not over yethttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/health/coronavirus-variants-vaccines.html?referringSource=articleShare …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @BillHanage

      Although I’m a little worried that partial immune escape and higher transmissibility are being conflated here. The latter will speed things up (rather than prolong it, as the headline implies) and bring the next phase around *sooner* but tragically so—more infections.

      3 replies 2 retweets 84 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

      So not all variants are “drawing things out.” Quite the contrary. On partial immune escape, just amazing how everyone is ignoring what *actually* happened in South Africa without widespread vaccination. It’s like the most important data doesn’t count. Baffling.

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        2. Bill Hanage‏Verified account @BillHanage 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes really interesting that. I have my own views on what might have produced it, but don’t have data to address the question

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        3. Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS‏ @fitterhappierAJ 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @BillHanage @zeynep

          many mechanistic links. problem is nonspecific, "immune escape." It is why sera escape is the better definition. Virologists...

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        2. AstroBear‏ @mugsymugsy18 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          What actually happened in South Africa?

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        3. James Davis‏ @JamesMDavis615 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @mugsymugsy18 @zeynep @BillHanage

          I had the same question

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        1. Lucy McBride, MD‏Verified account @drlucymcbride 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          As u know it’s essential we message this right: variants drive #COVID cases. Not all variants matter (#SARSCoV2 has mutated 1000s of times; not every mutation confers advantage to virus). Widespread vax’n drops risk of birthing more variants, but pandemic has no on/off switch

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        1. Kristian‏ @kristian_1234 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          Sorry if I'm being obtuse, but isn't that the ebbing of a wave? Didn't most of the world encounter waves all last year, and obviously*also* without vaccination? Huh?

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        2. David States‏ @statesdj 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          We have a reasonable theory for how the virus spreads. Our understanding of how surges end is more limited, to put it diplomatically. Still many susceptible people, still plenty of virus, hard to document substantial changes in behavior and yet surges end

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @statesdj @BillHanage

          I totally agree. There are clearly big unknowns here that are being somewhat ignored—to put it less diplomatically. I feel like we are being epistemologically over-confident which is fueling lack of curiosity/research into deeply relevant and quite interesting remaining puzzles.

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        2. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @BillHanage

          Right. And conversely, India is not where we would have expected to see one of the biggest run-ups in cases, looking just at genome surveillance.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-cases/india-says-virus-variants-not-behind-upsurge-in-cases-idUSKBN2AN16I …

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        3. Avtansh Agarwal‏ @avtansh 4 Apr 2021
          Replying to @WesPegden @zeynep @BillHanage

          And a similar scenario playing across many South Asian countries. I suspect strong seasonality (an aspect which has been underplayed by many experts) with Covid. March-May tend to be the hottest months of the year in many parts.

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