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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @TaylorLorenz @MichaelMaiello and

      That's my take. I see zero evidence of it - as opposed to some people saying, wow, I really prefer working from home, etc. I think there's a lot of people wanting to think that there are some other weird people keeping them locked down, as opposed to covid locking them down.

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    2. Michelle Goldberg‏Verified account @michelleinbklyn 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @joshtpm @TaylorLorenz and

      Maybe. I'm so traumatized by this year that I get upset, maybe irrationally so, by suggestions that any of it is permanent. And I follow all public health guidance on masks but probably hate them as much as the most egregious anti-maskers so I hope they don't become a norm.

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    3. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @michelleinbklyn @TaylorLorenz and

      I mean, I've found the last year a downer too? And I get what you're saying. It is traumatic. It is horrible. Wish it'd never happened and wish it would end. All of it. But I do sense that some people have found a need to conjure these people up because it's hard to be mad ...

      3 replies 0 retweets 39 likes
    4. Michelle Goldberg‏Verified account @michelleinbklyn 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @joshtpm @TaylorLorenz and

      Obviously we'll see in a few months. I think @zeynep is right here: https://zeynep.substack.com/p/how-polarization-ate-our-brains …pic.twitter.com/nQRQ3aGfQZ

      12 replies 2 retweets 45 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @michelleinbklyn @joshtpm and

      I think one potential trajectory is not that people *want* to stay in this mode, but will not feel safe enough to let go of some mitigations, which is acceptable as an individual decision but comes with costs, but that this will also extend into policy fights. But who knows?

      3 replies 1 retweet 29 likes
    6. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @michelleinbklyn and

      I think the first point is probably expected for some and human nature. People are deeply traumatized. On the policy front, I really doubt this is an issue because the very strong public policy tendency has been to loosen at the first sign of even slight case rate declines.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @joshtpm @michelleinbklyn and

      Agree, not blaming people. On the latter: we are often loosening the wrong things at the first sign. We should have relaxed outdoor mask requirements by April 2020, for example, and probably should have only as last step relaxed unmasked/high-aerosol indoor activities.

      3 replies 1 retweet 38 likes
    8. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @michelleinbklyn and

      agree and agree. my general point is that I think people have a lot of anger and angst (very understandably!) but there's no foreign terrorist to be mad at. It's a virus. And a lot of that gets projected out at imagined people who are making our lives like this or want to keep ..

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    9. Josh Marshall‏Verified account @joshtpm 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @joshtpm @zeynep and

      2/ our lives like this once the pandemic ends. When in fact, we're in the midst of a pandemic. And it's mainly the virus, not weird people who like lockdowns.

      2 replies 1 retweet 27 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @joshtpm @michelleinbklyn and

      Right, nor is it really the fault of the few irresponsible people partying at the Lake of the Ozarks (I mean, not a wise thing but clearly much lower risk by any known measure compared to a huge amount of routine stuff we've done fairly little about). 1/

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @joshtpm and

      I can only conclude that we have not moved that much beyond viscerally viewing illness as a consequence of sin and moral failing—centuries of germ theory of disease and now all that messenger RNA in nanolipids aside.

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        2. HourNinety‏ @HourNinety 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @joshtpm and

          Alternatively, maybe people just have very bad intuitions about what's risky? We taught strict rules instead of ways to intuit risk and that makes it hard for people to modulate their behavior circumstantially.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @HourNinety @joshtpm and

          I wrote a whole article about that: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/how-public-health-messaging-backfired/618147/ …pic.twitter.com/tfe7ypq9cj

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        1. John W.McCarthy‏ @Jwmcc09 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @joshtpm and

          I get an email from the Governor of NY every night part of which the message is "how the state recovers is contingent on our behaviors" ie: our suffering will continue if *You* act bad...

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        2. A Misanthropologist‏ @misanthropolgy 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @joshtpm and

          This strikes me as a stretch. Lots of people have been behaving in ways that we know, according to the germ theory of disease, makes viral spread more likely. We can criticize that failure to act responsibly in ways that aren't reflective of pre-modern ideas of disease and sin.

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        3. Walter Appling‏ @WalterAppling 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @misanthropolgy @zeynep and

          I think the more relevant group is the fundamentally uncooperative one that has strategically taken up a "sciency" vocabulary and mein to oppose or cripple any PH measures.

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        2. Hackery Bottery‏ @Hackery_Bottery 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @joshtpm and

          The modern version of this is illness as a consequence of depression, or not working out enough, or not eating the right thing or taking the right vitamins.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Hackery Bottery‏ @Hackery_Bottery 2 Apr 2021
          Replying to @Hackery_Bottery @zeynep and

          When I had cancer as a youngster, there were a couple of bestsellers touting the practice of visualizing the fight, good cells vs. bad cells, and blaming a depressed mind for not nipping cancer in the bud.

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