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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dan Froomkin/PressWatchers.org‏Verified account @froomkin 1 Apr 2021

      It's good to see @zeynep call out the flaws in mainstream Covid coverage (and there were/are many). But framing it as the result of "partisan polarization" & equating it in any way with the dangerous delusion & disinformation from the right goes too far.https://zeynep.substack.com/p/how-polarization-ate-our-brains …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @froomkin

      Hence my conclusion!pic.twitter.com/XoT7CpepuF

      2 replies 3 retweets 37 likes
    3. Dan Froomkin/PressWatchers.org‏Verified account @froomkin 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      (I remain a big fan, but...) Your headline and your main theme enthusiastically assert that both sides have eaten their own brains. I don't think the caveat at the end gets you off the hook. There really is almost no comparison, but you made it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 33 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @froomkin

      Thank you! I feel like I'm examining one piece of a puzzle in a newsletter, and make that clear at top and the bottom. On the almost "no comparison": on some things (like muzzling the CDC) I agree. On other things like closing parks? What's the measure? Level of harm? Dynamics?

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    5. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @froomkin

      Park closures were a policy mistake followed by corrections in light of accumulating evidence. It wasn't a disinformation issue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @beyerstein @froomkin

      That's not exactly correct, but that's part of the part two of the trifecta. The evidence was clear and overwhelming about a year ago, and many parks are still closed and beaches shamed, to this day. "Accumulating evidence" has become part of the face-saving denial, imo.

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    7. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @froomkin

      Are there any statistics on how many parks are closed due to COVID and what jurisdictions they're located in?

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @beyerstein @froomkin

      I have not done the study, but I wrote about the science of not closing parks/beaches exactly one year ago, and I've been flooded with examples from all over the country, and the world, since. And beach-shaming continues to this day. This is not "waiting for evidence".

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @froomkin

      Big liberal cities and states with robust COVID responses are reopening their city and state parks after initial closures: NYC, LA, SFO, Chicago, etc. This is evidence of being receptive to the evidence.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @beyerstein @zeynep @froomkin

      The other question is how many of these park closures are due to outdoor COVID transmission concerns, as opposed to concerns about staff safety in the indoor parts of their jobs, or funding cuts.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
      Replying to @beyerstein @froomkin

      I honestly don't think those are very plausible answers at this point.

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        2. Lindsay Beyerstein‏ @beyerstein 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @froomkin

          Why not? We've got tons of cash-strapped local governments.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @beyerstein @froomkin

          So, a year into a pandemic, local governments are doing something that is a clear threat to public health, despite knowing this, merely because they are short on staff and the thing in question is keeping a park open as normal? I'd like to see an example or two.

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        2. Balkans Bohemia‏ @BalkansBohemia 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @beyerstein @froomkin

          I feel the "beach shaming" thing needs more nuance. It's not beaches per se but beach culture that becomes a public health risk -- travel there; bars, restaurants & other institutions that are part & parcel of the experience. Way trickier than "open a beach" like a local park.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @BalkansBohemia @beyerstein @froomkin

          Meh, after a whole year, if that's the message, the authorities and media should just say that. Highlighting the least risky, in fact extremely safe, portion of a chain of activities has to be the weirdest way to communicate something we would not accept for anything else.

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