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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021

      Thank you, @DKThomp for doing the unpleasant work of documenting (a fraction) of Alex Berenson many many (I can only conclude deliberately) wildly misleading and flat-out-false claims.https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021

      It's an interesting case because I'm wary of labeling things misinformation too quickly. Science is much wider than whatever scientific authorities have digested at the moment, and freewheeling and yes, even acrimonious debate goes with the territory.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021

      But there's clearly a line between people having (heated and rancorous) intra-science debates, and are flat-out attempting to mislead, misinform and misrepresent. That line is hard to tell if you are not steeped in the field, and someone is deliberately pretending to be former.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021

          The decision to deny oxygen to deliberate misinformation by amplifying it, and going out and debunking it depends, I think now the character and nature of the attempt, and on this case, I think this is right. He is so obviously wrong so often, while wrapping himself in scientism.

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        2. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 1 Apr 2021
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          Watching Berenson slide from crankish skeptic to full-on conspiracy theorist has been interesting. There were a couple weeks last March--eons ago--when he was actually doing a good job puncturing some of the claims being made while pushing a cockeyed view.

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        3. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @avizvizenilman @zeynep

          This also happened with marijuana. He actually is a pretty good reporter/skeptic -- but then he pushes his own theories, has an ego the size of the moon, and things get really nasty very quickly.

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        2. Joshua Schoenaker‏ @JoshSchoen 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          But you often can't really know someone's intention though if it's not explicit, right? Then why not just label stuff like this "(extremely, utterly) false" without having to estimate whatever someone's motive might be. That should be enough to persuade people to unfollow?

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @JoshSchoen

          Usually, yes, but having watched a bunch of his stuff (he can clearly be a reasonable reporter/skeptic) evolve, I don't know what else to conclude.

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        2. loserstar‏ @iAmLoserStar 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          "intra-science debates" - can you define this term more explicitly? This sounds a lot like gatekeeping to many people.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021
          Replying to @iAmLoserStar

          Science is necessarily some level of gate-keeping (you want antibiotics that work or a snake-oil sellers giving you a menthol vapor for a bacterial infection?). The gate has to be not too narrow and the process transparent, though.

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        1. Bob Sacamano (insert blue check here)‏ @bob_saccamanno 1 Apr 2021
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          I think early success bred hubris and he think he understands "complicated datasets" https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/does-the-king-of-the-covid-19-contrarians-have-a-case … but in fact makes clumsy errors. Trying to point out the errors usually leads to a snarky reply from him or his Harpies.pic.twitter.com/3xuDPjxKGn

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        1. Lukas Simonis‏ @lsimonis 1 Apr 2021
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          it's not all that hard.

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        1. Dan Abrams‏ @DoctorRazzWSOP 4 Apr 2021
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          The line is a little easier to tell when on one side you have experienced, knowledgeable professionals forced to put their careers on the line to defend the science vs. smug grifters fanning the flames of "alt-science" because no legit outlet will hire them anymore

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