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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Carl T. Bergstrom‏Verified account @CT_Bergstrom 28 Mar 2021

      In his latest paper about COVID infection fatality rates, John Ioannidis does not address the critiques from @GidMK, but instead engages in the most egregious gatekeeping that I have ever seen in a scientific paper.pic.twitter.com/P08sFIovD6

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    2. Carl T. Bergstrom‏Verified account @CT_Bergstrom 28 Mar 2021

      John's defenders have done this in the past, but I'm stunned that he'd stoop to the same. Science doesn't work like that, to say the least. Gideon's degree status is irrelevant and in the entirety of my career I've never seen this issue raised in a scientific paper before.

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    3. Carl T. Bergstrom‏Verified account @CT_Bergstrom 28 Mar 2021

      The condescension and hypocrisy here is mind-boggling.pic.twitter.com/ppaLt4nt9T

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    4. Carl T. Bergstrom‏Verified account @CT_Bergstrom 28 Mar 2021

      And as for non-PhD authors? I wrote four papers as a PhD student in which no author had an advanced degree. Theor. Pop. Biol., Phil. Trans. Royal Society, PNAS, Genetics. Cited 86, 116, 178, and 214 times respectively. Maybe they're all crap, but not b/c of my degree status.pic.twitter.com/VVV8js7Les

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    5. Carl T. Bergstrom‏Verified account @CT_Bergstrom 28 Mar 2021

      Anyway, you can read it for yourself. It's published in the journal for which Ioannidis previously served as Editor in Chief. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13554 … Therein John claims the IFR for COVID is 0.15%. By official counts, 0.166% of the US population has already died of COVID.pic.twitter.com/NhEI15BhhI

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @CT_Bergstrom

      100% agree this is no way to conduct a scientific discussion. I hope this logic is extended. For example, people keep dunking on EFD because he has a "nutritional epi" PhD. I do think he's wrong (quite often) but because he is wrong, not that he lacks just the right credentials.+

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    7. Dr24hours‏ @Dr24hours 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @CT_Bergstrom

      My issue with EFD’s credentials is that he presents himself (or at least makes no attempt to be clear) as an infectious disease expert; his credentials aren’t *why* he’s wrong, of course. But he shouldn’t misrepresent the fact that he’s a well-I formed layman in ID.

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    8. Dr24hours‏ @Dr24hours 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @Dr24hours @zeynep @CT_Bergstrom

      Credentials are relevant to discussions of public trust in dissemination of information. They’re a proxy we use for expertise. Scientists should be clear.

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    9. Dr24hours‏ @Dr24hours 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @Dr24hours @zeynep @CT_Bergstrom

      That said, “this guy doesn’t have a PhD so he’s wrong” is obviously a risible argument.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @Dr24hours @CT_Bergstrom

      Of course. My point (gingerly lest it be misunderstood as personal) is that "epitwitter" does a large amount of this (not directed at Carl) without noticing that, to the outsider, it looks very similar AND there are experts with right credentials and really wrong assertions, too.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @Dr24hours @CT_Bergstrom

      "He's just a student" is the sign of a weak argument and attempt to gatekeep in the worst possible way, and it's terrible especially coming from someone who's obviously, well, wrong. No disagreement.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Dr24hours @CT_Bergstrom

          The broader point I'm making is that this is actually a fairly common practice without perhaps self-awareness on how it looks, and this may be an opportunity to see how it does look from the outside—but nobody likes hearing that so I say my two cents and kinda leave it there.

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        3. Dr24hours‏ @Dr24hours 28 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @CT_Bergstrom

          Yes indeed (and no fears about it being taken personally - I’m in AA. I don’t do that anymore. 🥰)

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