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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

    An NIH-led study plans to assess transmission after vaccination by asking college students to delay vaccination for four months. To me, this seems neither necessary nor ethically justifiable, and the study design probably can’t even answer their question.https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/91832 …

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

        I looked at the enrollment page, and it has not a word about the effects of delaying the vaccine. (It addresses “will the vaccine change my DNA” and “will it effect fertility”, but not... what if I do catch COVID during those four months, which is the point of the study).

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

        I’m definitely ok with using natural, unavoidable scarcities (like launching this in December when as college students were not going to be eligible soon) or discussing launching it someplace with no access to vaccines (though I am for vaccinating globally ASAP). But now? Here?🤨

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

        Also, we already have a a lot of data on vaccines blunting transmission, and I am not even convinced this study (testing close-contacts of college students when a lot of spread happens in mass events like parties etc.) will give us anything more precise than what we already know.

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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

        College students are low-risk but they are not zero risk, and Long Covid is a (not that well-understood) thing of some prevalance (maybe less than reported but it is a thing. It is real). Dunno. We have existing answers, this won’t give us more precision imo, and it is a risk.

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      1. Dottie Luber‏ @DottieLuber 27 Mar 2021
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        What should be done to answer the question?

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      2. Liz Garbus‏Verified account @lizgarbus 27 Mar 2021
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        Are there other studies that you are following and respect that can answer the question of post vaccine transmission?

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021
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        We already have a lot and a lot of data on that. I’m not even sure this study will give us anything more precise to be honest.

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      1. Dave  🌵 🚴‍♀️ 🎸‏ @HikerDave57 27 Mar 2021
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        This is so mad scientist level irresponsible that I was reminded of this guy:https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/demon-core-the-strange-death-of-louis-slotin …

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      2. Zamboni23‏ @Zamboni231 27 Mar 2021
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        Unethical for sure. I’ve seen some try to justify the study with “well, even guaranteed vaccine within 4 months is really valuable,” but I’m not sure they get how any motivated person (certainly those motivated emoji to sign up for a trial) will be able to get it in 1-2 months.

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      3. Zamboni23‏ @Zamboni231 27 Mar 2021
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        *motivated enough Lol

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