And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).
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Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and
Agreed. I think it’s a bit too soon to give up on any argument, we will probably need all of them. (Btw, there are other vaccine campaigns rich countries have funded out of self-interest)
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Replying to @apoorva_nyc @JInterlandi and
Chiming in late here, but I don‘t think there is any question that having the virus replicate anywhere is a risk for everyond everywhere. My main gripe is with the scientific argument that shifting doses from rich countries to poor countries now makes a huge difference in that.
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Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and
I think the scientific argument is about increasing vaccine production capacity globally to reduce overall replication, while equitable rollout now is mostly a moral and justice and public health argument.
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Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and
Yep, as my own piece says it is, of course, better to get rid of the virus but the current problem variants may well have emerged not from population growth but through individual immunopathology and vaccinate globally now is a moral argument that won't shift the variant picture.
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Just one thing: the emergence of variants from immunocompromised people is a hypothesis that is a long way from proven, and convergent evolution suggests it might not actually be driving the emergence of variants of concern. Also could be both.
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Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and
To echo others on this thread: Just here to remind that smallpox was eliminated in N. America and Europe more than a decade before the rest of the world...pic.twitter.com/PyocCoDqKo
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Replying to @MoNscience @angie_rasmussen and
...and outside of a handful of small outbreaks, those developed nations remained protected. (Our World In Data has a nice slider map). https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox#number-of-smallpox-cases …pic.twitter.com/GeeYsysPRQ
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Replying to @MoNscience @angie_rasmussen and
The world has shrunk a lot since then. I was vaccinated for smallpox in the early 70s, but even then, regular travel between India and the US was very rare.
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Definitely, though one possibility is that the world may "unshrink" and/or become even more one-way (as anyone who holds non US/Europe passwords can attest that it was already pretty tilted) after a once-in-a-century pandemic.
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Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and
Exactly. Plus, western leaders are already trigger-happy with travel bans. Add in digital enforcement in the form of vaccine passports, and you can see where this is going...
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