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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).

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    3. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and

      Agreed. I think it’s a bit too soon to give up on any argument, we will probably need all of them. (Btw, there are other vaccine campaigns rich countries have funded out of self-interest)

      1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
    4. Kai Kupferschmidt‏Verified account @kakape 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @JInterlandi and

      Chiming in late here, but I don‘t think there is any question that having the virus replicate anywhere is a risk for everyond everywhere. My main gripe is with the scientific argument that shifting doses from rich countries to poor countries now makes a huge difference in that.

      2 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    5. Kai Kupferschmidt‏Verified account @kakape 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and

      I think the scientific argument is about increasing vaccine production capacity globally to reduce overall replication, while equitable rollout now is mostly a moral and justice and public health argument.

      2 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and

      Yep, as my own piece says it is, of course, better to get rid of the virus but the current problem variants may well have emerged not from population growth but through individual immunopathology and vaccinate globally now is a moral argument that won't shift the variant picture.

      3 replies 3 retweets 19 likes
    7. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @kakape and

      Just one thing: the emergence of variants from immunocompromised people is a hypothesis that is a long way from proven, and convergent evolution suggests it might not actually be driving the emergence of variants of concern. Also could be both.

      4 replies 3 retweets 28 likes
    8. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      To echo others on this thread: Just here to remind that smallpox was eliminated in N. America and Europe more than a decade before the rest of the world...pic.twitter.com/PyocCoDqKo

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    9. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @MoNscience @angie_rasmussen and

      ...and outside of a handful of small outbreaks, those developed nations remained protected. (Our World In Data has a nice slider map). https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox#number-of-smallpox-cases …pic.twitter.com/GeeYsysPRQ

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    10. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @MoNscience @angie_rasmussen and

      The world has shrunk a lot since then. I was vaccinated for smallpox in the early 70s, but even then, regular travel between India and the US was very rare.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @MoNscience and

      Definitely, though one possibility is that the world may "unshrink" and/or become even more one-way (as anyone who holds non US/Europe passwords can attest that it was already pretty tilted) after a once-in-a-century pandemic.

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        1. Nsikan Akpan, PhD‏Verified account @MoNscience 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

          Exactly. Plus, western leaders are already trigger-happy with travel bans. Add in digital enforcement in the form of vaccine passports, and you can see where this is going...

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