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    1. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    3. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works

      3 replies 3 retweets 10 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).

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    6. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and

      Agreed. I think it’s a bit too soon to give up on any argument, we will probably need all of them. (Btw, there are other vaccine campaigns rich countries have funded out of self-interest)

      1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
    7. Kai Kupferschmidt‏Verified account @kakape 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @JInterlandi and

      Chiming in late here, but I don‘t think there is any question that having the virus replicate anywhere is a risk for everyond everywhere. My main gripe is with the scientific argument that shifting doses from rich countries to poor countries now makes a huge difference in that.

      2 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    8. Kai Kupferschmidt‏Verified account @kakape 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and

      I think the scientific argument is about increasing vaccine production capacity globally to reduce overall replication, while equitable rollout now is mostly a moral and justice and public health argument.

      2 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @kakape @apoorva_nyc and

      Yep, as my own piece says it is, of course, better to get rid of the virus but the current problem variants may well have emerged not from population growth but through individual immunopathology and vaccinate globally now is a moral argument that won't shift the variant picture.

      3 replies 3 retweets 19 likes
    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @kakape and

      Just one thing: the emergence of variants from immunocompromised people is a hypothesis that is a long way from proven, and convergent evolution suggests it might not actually be driving the emergence of variants of concern. Also could be both.

      4 replies 3 retweets 28 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @kakape and

      Yeah I say this in the piece but it's clearly plausible and may be both (seems everyone agrees). The point Kai is making is that the selfish argument on variant threats, logically, speaking, is to hoard the vaccine here *now* while the moral argument is to vaccinate "them" now.

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