The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works
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Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and
And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).
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Replying to @JInterlandi @jbkrell and
It may well backfire. We've seen, historically, what happens when there is a massive ideological campaign about the disease threats emerging from "over there". Doesn't usually end up with demand for access for better treatment for "them" so they can travel/move globally.
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Replying to @zeynep @JInterlandi and
What’s the historical examples of this backfiring?
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Replying to @peterstaley @JInterlandi and
Perception/fears of infectious diseases/xenophobia/discrimination have long been completely intertwined. It was as late as 2009 (after much pressure) USG allowed HIV+ people to apply for citizenship, and US *still* excludes TB for example. And that's all recent!
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Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and
Exactly. The argument may not have worked with HIV, but it didn’t backfire. The global travel ban and local HIV criminalization laws we’re baked in in the 1980s by widespread HIV stigma, and stigma kept them in place, not any debates we had in late 90s.
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Replying to @peterstaley @JInterlandi and
I think it is plausible that travel/freedom of movement will become primarily one-way for a while. I think people are underestimating the option that vaccinated people will feel safe enough to vacation "there" while we keep people from "there" from coming here because "variants".
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I completely and wholeheartedly hope that the argument becomes moot because we do pressure governments to vaccinate globally, and I buy that the "it's for our own good now" argument may impact elite opinion regardless the reality/strength of it.
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