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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    2. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works

      3 replies 3 retweets 10 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).

      3 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @JInterlandi @jbkrell and

      It may well backfire. We've seen, historically, what happens when there is a massive ideological campaign about the disease threats emerging from "over there". Doesn't usually end up with demand for access for better treatment for "them" so they can travel/move globally.

      2 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
    6. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @JInterlandi and

      What’s the historical examples of this backfiring?

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @peterstaley @JInterlandi and

      Perception/fears of infectious diseases/xenophobia/discrimination have long been completely intertwined. It was as late as 2009 (after much pressure) USG allowed HIV+ people to apply for citizenship, and US *still* excludes TB for example. And that's all recent!

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    9. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and

      Exactly. The argument may not have worked with HIV, but it didn’t backfire. The global travel ban and local HIV criminalization laws we’re baked in in the 1980s by widespread HIV stigma, and stigma kept them in place, not any debates we had in late 90s.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @peterstaley @JInterlandi and

      I think it is plausible that travel/freedom of movement will become primarily one-way for a while. I think people are underestimating the option that vaccinated people will feel safe enough to vacation "there" while we keep people from "there" from coming here because "variants".

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @peterstaley and

      I completely and wholeheartedly hope that the argument becomes moot because we do pressure governments to vaccinate globally, and I buy that the "it's for our own good now" argument may impact elite opinion regardless the reality/strength of it.

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