Ready to shame the world here along with @_HassanF @CarlosdelRio7 @jbkrell @MMKavanagh and many others.
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @apoorva_nyc and
That's what it may take, this time, too. As we've seen with HIV, too, it's perfectly plausible for effective drugs to shield a select few for a very, very long time—and the "but it will mutate elsewhere" never become realized as a big enough threat to move the needle.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.
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Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and
The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works
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Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and
And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).
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Replying to @JInterlandi @jbkrell and
It may well backfire. We've seen, historically, what happens when there is a massive ideological campaign about the disease threats emerging from "over there". Doesn't usually end up with demand for access for better treatment for "them" so they can travel/move globally.
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Replying to @zeynep @JInterlandi and
What’s the historical examples of this backfiring?
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Perception/fears of infectious diseases/xenophobia/discrimination have long been completely intertwined. It was as late as 2009 (after much pressure) USG allowed HIV+ people to apply for citizenship, and US *still* excludes TB for example. And that's all recent!
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Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and
Exactly. The argument may not have worked with HIV, but it didn’t backfire. The global travel ban and local HIV criminalization laws we’re baked in in the 1980s by widespread HIV stigma, and stigma kept them in place, not any debates we had in late 90s.
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