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    1. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @kakape

      The more immunocompromised people, and just people generally, that are infected worldwide, the more evolution we will see. I don’t think it’s a poor scientific argument. We can only have boosters if the evolution is stepwise elsewhere and we know about it. No guarantee of either

      2 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
    2. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and

      The boosters for previous variants may stop you from getting sick, but they’re not going to stop you from bringing the variant back into the country after travel. And then infecting immunocompromised/unvaccinated people over here.

      1 reply 2 retweets 19 likes
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    4. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @zeynep and

      Ready to shame the world here along with @_HassanF @CarlosdelRio7 @jbkrell @MMKavanagh and many others.

      2 replies 1 retweet 36 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @apoorva_nyc and

      That's what it may take, this time, too. As we've seen with HIV, too, it's perfectly plausible for effective drugs to shield a select few for a very, very long time—and the "but it will mutate elsewhere" never become realized as a big enough threat to move the needle.

      2 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    6. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.

      5 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    8. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works

      3 replies 3 retweets 10 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).

      3 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @JInterlandi @jbkrell and

      It may well backfire. We've seen, historically, what happens when there is a massive ideological campaign about the disease threats emerging from "over there". Doesn't usually end up with demand for access for better treatment for "them" so they can travel/move globally.

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        2. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JInterlandi and

          What’s the historical examples of this backfiring?

          2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @peterstaley @JInterlandi and

          Perception/fears of infectious diseases/xenophobia/discrimination have long been completely intertwined. It was as late as 2009 (after much pressure) USG allowed HIV+ people to apply for citizenship, and US *still* excludes TB for example. And that's all recent!

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        1. Matthew Kavanagh‏ @MMKavanagh 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @JInterlandi and

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          Matthew Kavanagh @MMKavanagh
          Replying to @zeynep @jbkrell and 7 others
          I think actually this is not empirically true, the CIA document describing HIV as a security threat changed a lot of people’s footing inside the USG even if that’s not what they said it was about
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