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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves @kakape

      In other words, it is not an implausible scenario that widespread vaccination plus boosters will do the job of protecting those in wealthy countries (immorally leaving behind everyone else) and also that variants do not arise solely because of unchecked population-level growth.

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    2. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @kakape

      I am also interested in what @apoorva_nyc wrote about today. Will the immunosuppression related to untreated #HIV infection and #SARSCOV2 mean anything? Have no idea. But millions don't have access to ART still.

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    3. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @kakape

      The more immunocompromised people, and just people generally, that are infected worldwide, the more evolution we will see. I don’t think it’s a poor scientific argument. We can only have boosters if the evolution is stepwise elsewhere and we know about it. No guarantee of either

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    4. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and

      The boosters for previous variants may stop you from getting sick, but they’re not going to stop you from bringing the variant back into the country after travel. And then infecting immunocompromised/unvaccinated people over here.

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    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @zeynep and

      Ready to shame the world here along with @_HassanF @CarlosdelRio7 @jbkrell @MMKavanagh and many others.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @apoorva_nyc and

      That's what it may take, this time, too. As we've seen with HIV, too, it's perfectly plausible for effective drugs to shield a select few for a very, very long time—and the "but it will mutate elsewhere" never become realized as a big enough threat to move the needle.

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    8. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.

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    10. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @gregggonsalves and

      And I'm merely pointing out that some people back then also thought the selfish HIV argument would work (I heard it a lot at the time!) and it did not really work.Y'all had to push. Is there an example of it working? (Yes we all agree shouldn't have to come down to this).

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        2. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @JInterlandi @zeynep and

          Agreed. I think it’s a bit too soon to give up on any argument, we will probably need all of them. (Btw, there are other vaccine campaigns rich countries have funded out of self-interest)

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        2. Matthew Kavanagh‏ @MMKavanagh 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbkrell and

          I think actually this is not empirically true, the CIA document describing HIV as a security threat changed a lot of people’s footing inside the USG even if that’s not what they said it was about

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        3. Matthew Kavanagh‏ @MMKavanagh 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @MMKavanagh @zeynep and

          I don’t like it, didn’t at the time, but it was persuasive to several governments

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        1. Josh Michaud‏Verified account @joshmich 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbkrell and

          A national security/self-interest argument on HIV (though based on a flimsy rationale) was common in the late 90s-early 00s. It did seem to move the needle in speeding some governments' support for global ART access https://mosaicscience.com/story/hiv-international-security/ …

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        2. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbkrell and

          I think it's an astute observation that the HIV argument didn't work even when people thought there was a real biological threat. A question with SARS-CoV-2 is whether the biological threat is in fact greater and will punch us in the nose if the argument doesn't move us.

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        3. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 16 Mar 2021
          Replying to @RidleyDM @zeynep and

          I will admit that I share your doubts that it will move us or that it will punch us in the nose. But then I also don't understand why I should care more about whether someone in Arizona has medical treatment than someone in Mali, and never have.

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