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    1. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and

      The boosters for previous variants may stop you from getting sick, but they’re not going to stop you from bringing the variant back into the country after travel. And then infecting immunocompromised/unvaccinated people over here.

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    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @zeynep and

      Ready to shame the world here along with @_HassanF @CarlosdelRio7 @jbkrell @MMKavanagh and many others.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @apoorva_nyc and

      That's what it may take, this time, too. As we've seen with HIV, too, it's perfectly plausible for effective drugs to shield a select few for a very, very long time—and the "but it will mutate elsewhere" never become realized as a big enough threat to move the needle.

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    5. James Krellenstein‏ @jbkrell 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.

      5 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    6. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @jbkrell @zeynep and

      Exactly. Agree with James. The comparison between HIV and this virus doesn’t go very far. They are extremely different

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    7. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @jbkrell and

      Oh I don't think people are saying HIV=SARSCOV2. Except in that one again the rich countries screw the poor ones! Emergence of drug resistance is NOT the same as mutations emerging at random, which may confer fitness benefits for SARSCOV2.

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    8. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @jbkrell and

      My point was really only to @zeynep’s analogy that the scientific argument + self interest didn’t work for hiv so they won’t for this virus either. I agree people saw the inequity coming a lot sooner and are better prepared this time

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and

      Historically, I think we overestimate the power of the "selfish" argument (HIV is an example not the same type of virus) & here, I believe we are underestimating how protected many vaccinated people in wealthy countries will be (which is @kakape's experts' point, too). We'll see.

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    10. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I suspect @kakape and I have been talking to a lot of the same experts, and they seem pretty genuinely concerned to me about the possibility of variants from unvaccinated populations having an impact here. But as you said, we’ll see.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Mar 2021
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and

      The argument isn't that variants will not emerge elsewhere. The point is that's not the *only* source of their emergence and it's plausible that the vaccine/booster cycle makes many here feel protected enough for the appeal to selfishness not to work—did not work for HIV access.

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