I am fine making moral/ethical cases alone, but does unchecked spread in one region have any impact in another, more vaccinated locale? end/
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Replying to @gregggonsalves @kakape
It is, of course, better to have less of the virus anywhere. That said, a single chronic infection treated with antivirals is a completely plausible ongoing source for variants, and I do not need to tell you "HIV will mutate and drugs will stop working" wasn't what got access.
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In other words, it is not an implausible scenario that widespread vaccination plus boosters will do the job of protecting those in wealthy countries (immorally leaving behind everyone else) and also that variants do not arise solely because of unchecked population-level growth.
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I am also interested in what
@apoorva_nyc wrote about today. Will the immunosuppression related to untreated#HIV infection and#SARSCOV2 mean anything? Have no idea. But millions don't have access to ART still.1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes -
The more immunocompromised people, and just people generally, that are infected worldwide, the more evolution we will see. I don’t think it’s a poor scientific argument. We can only have boosters if the evolution is stepwise elsewhere and we know about it. No guarantee of either
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Replying to @apoorva_nyc @gregggonsalves and
The boosters for previous variants may stop you from getting sick, but they’re not going to stop you from bringing the variant back into the country after travel. And then infecting immunocompromised/unvaccinated people over here.
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Replying to @apoorva_nyc @zeynep and
Ready to shame the world here along with
@_HassanF@CarlosdelRio7@jbkrell@MMKavanagh and many others.2 replies 1 retweet 36 likes -
Replying to @gregggonsalves @apoorva_nyc and
That's what it may take, this time, too. As we've seen with HIV, too, it's perfectly plausible for effective drugs to shield a select few for a very, very long time—and the "but it will mutate elsewhere" never become realized as a big enough threat to move the needle.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
I don’t think that is a proper analogy. In HIV, cART drugs suppress HIV replication by targeting various stages in the viral life cycle. So a large untreated population, which is not exposed to cART drugs, experiences no selective pressure to develop resistance mutations.
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The analogy isn't to the type of virus at all, it is to the type of appeals made to ordinary people in wealthy countries.
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Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and
Perhaps we are speaking pass each other. But I think given what we know about coronaviruses, theAbsence of universal global vaccination will actually pose a threat to rich people and rich countries. And therefore unlike HIV the selfish argument works
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Obviously this entire discourse is sociopathic. We shouldn’t have to have a threat to rich people to save millions of lives but whatever I guess
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