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    1. Ezra Klein‏Verified account @ezraklein 8 Mar 2021

      Ezra Klein Retweeted Isaac Bogoch

      Do any public health experts think these results are wrong, and Scotland made a terrible error approving the AZ vaccine? And if not, are we making a terrible error with every subsequent day we fail to approve it? It seems to me you need to believe one of these things is true.https://twitter.com/BogochIsaac/status/1366387654372306946 …

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      Isaac BogochVerified account @BogochIsaac
      In Scotland, the AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the risk of #COVID19-related hospitalization by **94%** after the first of 2 doses. This is data from 490000 people. *Yet another reminder that the first vaccine available is the best vaccine.* https://bit.ly/3q4ysd0  pic.twitter.com/HtjaHbapcP
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @ezraklein

      The results are great. But I think there were genuine issues with the ChAdOx1 trial and its data. The vaccine may still be excellent. But look at the damage the confusion did in Germany to public trust/vaccine uptake. (I feel differently about rapid test non-approval).

      4 replies 4 retweets 98 likes
    3. Ezra Klein‏Verified account @ezraklein 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Agree on the original trial - My argument here is we now have real world data that should reshape how we’re thinking. I mean, I saw this tweet from you! Do you think the data from Scotland is wrong?

      4 replies 4 retweets 74 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @ezraklein

      It’s quite likely the vaccine is good. This is a good looking chart. But it’s still not the Kaplan–Meier curve we get from placebo-controlled trials. Plus, the US doesn’t need a fourth vaccine now given global supply constraints.

      7 replies 2 retweets 78 likes
    5. Ezra Klein‏Verified account @ezraklein 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I’m open to the idea that we don’t need AZ at this point, or should leave it for others. But I think it’s a bit of a different question - that’s not why we’re told it’s not approved.

      10 replies 2 retweets 61 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Mar 2021
      Replying to @ezraklein

      It’s not approved because we don’t have the kind of placebo-controlled data we use for a vaccine approvals. That’s genuinely on Oxford/AZ tbh. There is a mystery still to what happened. That paper is nice—but it really is confounded data. I think FDA was right back then on this.

      4:49 PM - 8 Mar 2021
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        1. red‏ @adambigredad 8 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @ezraklein

          Pod?

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        2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 8 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @ezraklein

          And indeed that mess led to some real issues with uptake in Europe

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        3. Arpit Gupta‏ @arpitrage 8 Mar 2021
          Replying to @notdred @zeynep @ezraklein

          But the uptake seems quite high in the UK, which has approved AZ?

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        1. Benjamin Yeoh‏ @benyeohben 9 Mar 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @ezraklein

          Given many reasonable confounding factors were measured and adjusted, genuinely interested in what unmeasured confounder factors do you realistically think would explain the results on such a large N that would plausibly call into question these results?

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        1. drlivanis‏ @drlivanis 9 Mar 2021
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          Does anyone just stop and say that you all mighty deity that we live in a society advanced enough that we can read a discussion real time between @zeynep and @ezraklein?

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        1. cc‏ @ccc7215 9 Mar 2021
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          Let's say its not good enough for US and we won't use it. If that's the case, why its not distributed to less fortunate countries and instead its sitting in warehouses?

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