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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Feb 2021

      So it's not enough to discuss the evidence etc. for fomites vs airborne, because there's also a lot of sociology and psychology driving why we cling to that bottle of disinfectant a little too tightly—and that same dynamic applies to our reaction to vaccines/masks & beaches, too.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kevin

      I hear this a lot—and I admit to being a card-carrying member of the earnest and optimist club—but it's not true. One, we have a new administration—not a minor thing. Two, WE DO THIS occasionally. It's not about scapegoating but sharpening understanding.https://twitter.com/kevin_bowen/status/1365369413608742912 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Kevin @kevin_bowen
      Learning from past mistakes? Buddy, this is AMERICA https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1365356253891985410 …
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Feb 2021

      Dr. Fauci, today: “It’s backed by common sense. If you have two vaccinated people and they want to get together.. You can get start getting [together].. even though the risk is not zero, the risk becomes extremely low when you've both parties vaccinated.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA3ZfIEB22M …

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Feb 2021

      Do note there's no contradiction between keeping up public precautions—just the sociology of it: not good to have two classes of people for public behavior—while simultaneously expanding private behavior. If anything, I expect these to support each other. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/how-public-health-messaging-backfired/618147/ …pic.twitter.com/fkCBW68AeX

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Bill

      Presymptomatic transmission & atypical clinical presentation. This was, indeed, much like SARS (overdispersed, aerosols important) *except* with SARS, fever & infectiousness overlapped. That info is what convinced me in January of 2020 we'd get a pandemic.https://twitter.com/BillFoto3/status/1365411548068511749 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Bill @BillFoto3
      Replying to @BillFoto3 @zeynep @MC_of_A
      Prior knowledge or educated assumptions, especially by April 2020, seemed to be almost entirely accurate. I don't think I've read a single article where one of the assumptions scientists and health officials made based on prior knowledge was just flat wrong, but I may be mistaken
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lauren Pelley

      Yes, please. Should have done this since last spring.https://twitter.com/LaurenPelley/status/1365655101914968068 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Lauren PelleyVerified account @LaurenPelley
      “If you gave people that opportunity to do things appropriately outside, how many cases would you then save from indoor activity?" asks @zchagla. @adamsmiller explores why it may be time to allow lower-risk outdoor gatherings to ward off pandemic fatigue: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-risk-canada-weather-1.5930135 …
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      A fascinating historical point on how the US public health authorities dragged their feet on providing sterile needles/exchanges during the HIV pandemic because "we don't know" if it works. Need to reread that history with a new perspective. Recs welcome. https://zeynep.substack.com/p/pandemic-lessons-for-the-future-open/comments …pic.twitter.com/eWGI1q4ntJ

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Gregg Gonsalves

      It's 2021—and lawmakers are still trying to ban needle-exchanges.🤬This is why we must learn from the mistakes of past & current pandemics (I'm the child of an addict who essentially died from it—I don't have naive or simplistic thoughts about addiction).https://twitter.com/gregggonsalves/status/1365711828182065152 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Gregg GonsalvesVerified account @gregggonsalves
      Replying to @zeynep
      Well @zeynep sadly we are not done with those struggles. West Virginia about to ban needle exchange despite HIV outbreaks in the state. It’s a scandal, it’s an outrage that we’re still fighting this shit. https://mountainstatespotlight.org/2021/02/21/morgantown-shows-how-syringe-exchanges-save-lives-but-a-bill-before-the-west-virginia-legislature-would-outlaw-them/ …
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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      I want to put this out here (because the article is long and I don't expect everyone to read it). I would not relax any indoor rules right now—if anything, I think they can be more strict (with support for those who have to work indoors/remain closed).https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1365717999974514689 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @zeynep @RRcandid @ashishkjha
      So my wish is for the CDC to tell us: guidelines/risk comparisons for: private behavior among vaccinated people and private behavior for vaccinated people around unvaccinated people *and* distinguish outdoor/indoor rules. Public NPIs for indoor? I'd make them *more* strict now.😬
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      Vaccines will/should allow expanded private behaviors for the vaccinated and we should be more chill and encouraging of outdoors is not only compatible with, is supportive of the idea that we should be MORE *on guard* indoors while we vaccinate and outrun the variants spreading.pic.twitter.com/HK677CbBZj

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

      Is this all still relevant? Yes. London News today: "Crowds flock to parks and beaches despite Covid-19 warning from top scientists." Look at the pics! (Also UK had a "eat out to help out" plan subsidizing INDOOR dining—no take-out allowed—they may reportedly bring back soon).pic.twitter.com/vWAtAUhctE

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Richard Engel

          One year ago today. I’m not blaming him—it is true, that was the overwhelming message. We can and should stop being behind transitions and start acting/adjusting ahead of or with them. Matters for the endgame, too.https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1232770729290035202 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Richard EngelVerified account @RichardEngel
          Don’t panic. Doctors/ virologists I’m speaking to say 98% of people will be fine, even if they get Covid-19. They expect it will go around the world, but that most people who get it will be a little sick, then recover. The danger is to vulnerable people. Hospitals/ old age homes.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Feb 2021

          It was one year ago yesterday I published an article urging people to get ready, trying to explain flattening the curve, etc. because I was so frustrated with lack of advice on how and why to prepare. So I'm advocating for getting ready for transitions—not optimism or pessimism.pic.twitter.com/eBgFmrKknq

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Feb 2021

          We often get shoehorned into inappropriate binaries. Optimist or pessimist? (I'll admit being an optimist personality-wise but my analytical interests are usually the opposite: I'm on the lookout for what can go wrong). The interesting questions we face don't fit into binaries.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2021

          TIL from @joshgans response to my article: Medical community *opposed* teaching kids 1-4 how to swim because... it would make the parents complacent. Meanwhile, in real life, lessons at that age is associated with an ~88% reduction in drowning risk. https://joshuagans.substack.com/p/optimal-anxiety …pic.twitter.com/ejBRE1tGVn

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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2021

          This logic of denying safety devices/tools or tiered information or better guidelines to ordinary people against terrible outcomes they *would* like to avoid because of fears of "risk compensation" or "false sense of security" is.. almost always bunk *and* counterproductive.

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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Randomized trials are amazing and necessary for many things, but what gets implemented without them (despite no evidence) and what doesn't (despite tons of other kinds of strong evidence) is often.. a function of what the authorities feel comfortable with.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1366385652636475394 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @joshgans
          Amazing how the evidentiary standards shift when it comforts the authorities. Implement needle exchanges? "No, where's the RCT?" Teach kids to swim to protect against drowning? "Here's some theory I made up". Of course swimming helps against drowning. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151293/ …
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        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Covid One Year Ago

          Painful account to follow, but important to learn from what actually happened.https://twitter.com/YearCovid/status/1366400080098459654 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Covid One Year Ago @YearCovid
          29 Feb 2020 "You do NOT need to get or wear any face masks- surgical masks, N95 masks, respirator masks, or anything else- to protect yourself against the coronavirus. Not only do you not need them, you shouldn’t wear them" https://web.archive.org/web/20200301071220if_/https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/02/29/no-you-do-not-need-face-masks-for-coronavirus-they-might-increase-your-infection-risk/ … pic.twitter.com/LAPLU89tfy
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        9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Pete Muntean

          This is amazing. This should happen everywhere in the world. I wish we actively celebrated these moving moments. This isn’t just some routine event. Vaccines are about as close to an earthly miracle as it gets. And we got them so fast for COVID.https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1366442688296456192 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          0:08
          Pete MunteanVerified account @petemuntean
          BREAKING: The first @UPS truck carrying the Johnson & Johnson vaccine just arrived at the Worldport hub in Louisville. More trucks carrying the vaccine will arrive throughout the day. Deliveries start TOMORROW. pic.twitter.com/Aud092wQ24
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        10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          Every time I go on media and say the obvious: outdoors IS safer with much less risk of superspreading (I don't know of a single confirmed outdoor-only mass transmission event) many people object and say Rose Garden! Sturgis! Neither were outdoor only. The price of misinformation.

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        11. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          The immediate backlash to pointing out the most basic, most obvious thing after a whole year—yes, yes, please go outdoors, but do avoid especially poorly-ventilated, crowded indoors—is a tragic confirmation of what I'm trying to say. We have not informed and empowered people.

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        12. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          We have pictures from the White House cluster—it was a multi-day process with multiple maskless (!) indoor components. We have papers from the Sturgis rally—what infection we did find was indoors. Outdoor transmission isn't impossible, but relatively rare.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1363522936431345666 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          To the people telling me about the Sturgis rally. Forget the trad/social media moral panic—and the speculative reporting & headlines. We have actual papers. The event had a huge indoor component & what spread we do know happened in restaurants/workplaces. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e1.htm#T1_down … pic.twitter.com/cD8jDxLZpM
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        13. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          Such widespread misinformation—not distinguishing the much safer outdoors from the highest risk environments: poorly-ventilated indoors and explaining why—has a great cost because if people don't know how to keep themselves safer, they cannot keep themselves safer. Tragic.

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        14. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Sometimes people say why are you beating the outdoors drum? Doesn't everyone know? I wish. I mean this happened just yesterday. I go on any broadcast medium to say outdoors *is* safer, I get flooded by people who say "how dare you" and who have no idea.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1366520460138213380 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Tons of people are pinging me about it, so here goes. Whatever @Laurie_Garrett has just claimed on TV, there was a huge indoor component to the White House event that ended up being a cluster. We have reports *and* pictures so not hard to get the facts straight. @NicolleDWallace https://twitter.com/BestOLuck/status/1366516272918368260 … pic.twitter.com/va8ACEgGCw
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        15. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Albert Pinto

          Yes. Photograph choice matters. Beaches, parks, the photogenic outdoor portion of an event that was part of a multi-day process with many unmasked *indoors* meetings and a reception... This isn't how we inform people.https://twitter.com/70sBachchan/status/1366743396925272065 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Albert Pinto @70sBachchan
          Replying to @zeynep
          NYTimes literally changed the cover image in this story from the one with Amy Coney Barrett inside the indoors WH reception room (where infections happened) to the one with everyone seated outdoors! https://twitter.com/70sBachchan/status/1312914439520346114 …
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        16. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Covid One Year Ago

          So the below happened *after* we already saw exponential growth outside of China—Italy, South Korea, Iran.. Exponential growth gets harder & harder to curb, so those weeks mattered. Transitions are crucial: by the time everything is obvious, it's too late.https://twitter.com/YearCovid/status/1366756679837097985 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Covid One Year Ago @YearCovid
          2 Mar 2020 NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio encourages New Yorkers "to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus". The NYC health commissioner advises: "use the subway, take the bus... covid-19 is not an illness that can be easily spread through casual contact” pic.twitter.com/TpeIKXmYRT
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        17. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Zach Despart

          It's too early to open up everything and stop wearing masks in public—again especially indoors. Why risk so many people when we are so so close? On the other hand, yeah, *do* go outdoors and provide better safety for the workers who can't just "stay home".https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1366840400875556871 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Zach DespartVerified account @zachdespart
          The COVID messaging from Texas and Harris County gov't could not be more different right now: @LinaHidalgoTX: Stay home at all times except for essential errands! @GregAbbott_TX: No mask order, all businesses back open to 100%! Who will people listen to? https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1366837856778526720 …
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        18. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          Vaccines ARE great, but unvaccinated people aren't any more protected then yesterday because we just don't have enough community coverage—yet. But we are moving there so fast. This one-size-fits-all, too-early, too reckless rush to "open" up is senseless.

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        19. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          Look, we may be avoiding a fourth "surge" because of increasing pace of vaccinations, but *some* unvaccinated people will get infected if indoor restrictions are completely lifted and masks no longer worn indoors. The vaccine supply is about to go way way up. Just.. no.pic.twitter.com/CsSNDJ23Dz

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        20. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nishant Deshpande

          Folks who are fully vaccinated: guidance on how they are safer and what they can do with other vaccinated folk. Outdoors? Please, go do more outdoors. Indoor/public stuff? Be more strict until broader vaccination coverage which is really around the corner.https://twitter.com/deshpn/status/1366863126113570817 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Nishant Deshpande @deshpn
          Replying to @zeynep
          Lots of people are hurting due to the lockdowns - in many ways - as you have said previously. When should we open up? Do you have a set of criteria in mind? The harm caused by not opening shouldn't surpass harm caused by opening.
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        21. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Steve Kopack

          Here it is! (Reportedly!)https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/1366895728694611973 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Steve KopackVerified account @SteveKopack
          .@NBCNews: The CDC is set to release new guidelines on Thursday for Americans who have been fully vaccinated that say it’s OK for them to gather in small groups indoors with other people who have also been fully vaccinated, without wearing masks.
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        22. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted CNN

          This will never end. We can have 3000 million more epidemiological studies but they’ll still be shaming people for the what are probably the safest possible activities in a pandemic due to a respiratory pathogen. ht @jwitkerhttps://twitter.com/CNN/status/1371397016530599937 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          CNNVerified account @CNN
          US Covid-19 cases have flattened. Here's why that may predict another surge, expert says https://cnn.it/3eFaaEo  pic.twitter.com/cq9A08NK48
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        23. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Travis Dhanraj

          After a full, difficult year, people find possibly the safest possible way to socialize: outdoors in a big park. Reporter: wait, I can see it.https://twitter.com/Travisdhanraj/status/1375893648827629574 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          0:19
          Travis DhanrajVerified account @Travisdhanraj
          Is the pandemic over and no one told me?? Was just sent this...scene at Trinity Bellwoods Park right now #Onpoli #COVID19 #TOPoli pic.twitter.com/r0K37uWUwX
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        24. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Apr 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted James Bont

          Guess I'll be updating this thread for the next decade. LA opening restaurants etc., so let's put a picture of a vast beach that looks just about the safest place. Worse, this is LA, can't even make up some story about travel to the beach causing the risk.https://twitter.com/jamesbont/status/1377400019062452225?s=20 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          James Bont @jamesbont
          Replying to @zeynep
          You would think the L.A. Times, of all papers, would have given up this practice by now, but here we are. pic.twitter.com/pkAYRWxXBr
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        25. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Apr 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Richard Hanania

          Belgian police breaking up young people hanging out at... a park. A big, vast park. We’re more than a year in. We know where transmission primarily occurs and how. (Young ones are being encouraged to hang out indoors, I guess, where they won’t risk being trampled by horses.)https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1378455984549425153 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          1:34
          Richard Hanania @RichardHanania
          Belgian police go wild on kids hanging out in a park because it’s April 2021 and European governments are still too stupid to understand how a respiratory disease works, and confident enough in their ignorance to crush their people. pic.twitter.com/6m7nYeKJ8B
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        26. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2021

          I'm beginning to wonder if I'm being personally-trolled here, as an experiment. This is by CNN, bringing you the important news about the pandemic with visuals that highlight the acute problem. h/t @PatrickFIanaganpic.twitter.com/zr6b7wnM3V

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        27. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Apr 2021

          For those wondering how incorrect guidelines still block better pandemic mitigations: Despite Dr. Wen's heroic attempt here to divert, the incorrect description (basically copied from guidelines) helps drive the beach panic. If that were true, yeah indoor/outdoor would be same.pic.twitter.com/NAp4dVtgIV

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