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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH‏Verified account @ashishkjha 27 Feb 2021

      I finally read this @zeynep piece and it is SO good There's a lot that drives me crazy about communication in this pandemic Thing that I find most annoying? The idea that people can't handle nuance Its paternalistic. And untrue Read thishttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/how-public-health-messaging-backfired/618147/ …

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    2. Piranga‏ @RRcandid 27 Feb 2021
      Replying to @ashishkjha @zeynep

      Respect @zeynep ‘s work, but she is picking and choosing the nuance she thinks the public can handle. “Vaccines are excellent but not perfect at preventing transmission & serious illness, when cases remain high and variants may reduce protection” is a true, nuanced statement.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021
      Replying to @RRcandid @ashishkjha

      I don't have an objection to the way you phrase it except for this: we should communicate the sensible risk calculations, distinguishing private behavior/risk from public NPIs (which I think should stay strict for indoors at least for another month).

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @RRcandid @ashishkjha

      From what we already know, I don't think it's reasonable to tell vaccinated people that they must wait till herd immunity until they can change some private behaviors—if you think that's not ever stated, I have many examples to the contrary from very high-profile people/outlets.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @RRcandid @ashishkjha

          So my wish is for the CDC to tell us: guidelines/risk comparisons for: private behavior among vaccinated people and private behavior for vaccinated people around unvaccinated people *and* distinguish outdoor/indoor rules. Public NPIs for indoor? I'd make them *more* strict now.😬

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        3. Piranga‏ @RRcandid 27 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

          Mostly agree. I think you underestimate the strong motivation nearly all vaccinated people feel to start doing those things anyway. To me the bigger risk is publicity around small # of vaccinated transmissions that do occur. “But the CDC said it was ok - vaccine didn’t work!”

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        2. Dr. M. Tullius "No Mercy for Seditionists" Cicero‏ @TulliusCicero43 27 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @RRcandid @ashishkjha

          E.g., James Hamblin in a @TheAtlantic piece that dropped *the very day* yours did: "our social lives can resume, but only when the whole community is ready. The turning point . . . comes for all of us at once, when a population becomes immune." Aargh.https://tinyurl.com/48s87hys 

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        3. Piranga‏ @RRcandid 27 Feb 2021
          Replying to @TulliusCicero43 @zeynep and

          The @jameshamblin take is correct. Infection / transmission is a function of both immunity and exposure risk, and the latter is still quite high. Most of the public are not going to understand why vaccinated people will be safer in 2 months than they are now unless we explain.

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