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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eric Topol

      This is really important. Stuff getting publicized *without a paper* and without sufficient time for many scientists to look at, digest, comment and contextualize can lead to terrible outcomes—needlessly scaring people. We saw that happen with widely misreported studies before.https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1364769339434409984 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Eric TopolVerified account @EricTopol
      Why are academic groups forwarding "preprints" that are not posted directly to the media without the biomedical community having a chance to review? Isn't a preprint enough? is this a new pre-pre-print trend? Concerning.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2021

      It’s not about formal peer review per se. It’s just that many eyes are always better than a few, even if those few are excellent because they’re still a few, and a bit of time is better than rushing unless there’s something truly urgent that can’t wait another day or two.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nathan Grubaugh

      What’s the hurry? I am constantly fielding inquiries from people who are losing hope—I mean this, losing hope and suffering greatly—after reading such stories. Is it justified? Who knows without a paper? Just put the draft paper somewhere and let a couple of days pass.https://twitter.com/NathanGrubaugh/status/1364782285954899968 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nathan Grubaugh @NathanGrubaugh
      This wasn't even a "pre-print" - I was asked to provide comment on someone's draft manuscript that still had tracked changes and didn't include the figures. Based on this, the NYT wrote a story. This is an absolute mess. https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1364769339434409984 …
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Feb 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lauring Lab

          This, too. The preprint needs to be online *before* the high-profile story goes public so that the scientific community has a chance to digest/respond. It's not a long process—people respond quickly. The consequences otherwise are real—and not healthy.https://twitter.com/LauringLab/status/1364915391152205824 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Lauring Lab @LauringLab
          Science is exciting. You want to share your data with the world. If your first inclination is to issue a press release - as opposed to posting a preprint or even just your data/analysis - ask yourself why you made that choice. If the analysis is of data others shared, ask again.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Feb 2021

          Otherwise, story goes out with too few people who see paper. Those few may be excellent, but nobody is infallible. A few is not enough. We've seen this happen. Not enough time to comment->few experts say something->big story->oops there was an issue->no way to undo public impact.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Feb 2021

          It's a pandemic & peer review has been shortened or even being skipped. That's fine if done responsibly. There's a robust & real preprint & post-peer review process going on. It's great, actually. But huge finding to big news story with no chance to digest/respond? That's not it.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Feb 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jay Varma

          Here's a NYC public health official pleading against "pathogen porn"—big media story gets published without letting the scientific community have even one day to digest/respond to a preprint. Happened too many times throughout last year to great harm.https://twitter.com/DrJayVarma/status/1364895908895354882 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Jay Varma @DrJayVarma
          Replying to @EricTopol
          Plea to academics: please review high impact studies w/govt health depts before marketing it to media. We’re left to decipher science from journalist’s abstract while fielding calls from electeds, public, media how this changes policy. Pathogen porn isn’t helping public health.
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        1. 얘들아 HEY‏ @jess_207 24 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          there has to be a line somewhere. No figures and still has track changes seems clearly on the wrong side of that line to me. Really hard to evaluate a paper with no figures.

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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 24 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the production of this miasmic fear has negatively affected our capacity to have a meaningful conversation about school re-opening. Just a thought. And since it's deep in your mentions, I won't get pilloried.

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        3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 24 Feb 2021
          Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep

          But meaningful deliberative engagement with each other about some policy question requires the parties involved not feeling like the sky is about to fall any second. I mean this is totally obvious, but it is something that the NYT does not seriously consider.

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        1. richard h.‏ @dustyburners 24 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          There's a potential pincer effect between hyper-informed folks who would get very freaked out over variant-of-the-week stuff and COVID deniers/trad anti-vax cohorts who are entrenched in social media. I worry about the effect on vaccination rates & NPI adherence.

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        1. AlexBStreet‏ @albystr 25 Feb 2021
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          What’s the hurry? Seriously???

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        2. Firas Durri‏ @firasd 25 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I see you bring this up often lately but isn't this the 'second order impact' analysis that you often dislike? Doesn't make sense to not talk about variants cause someone might get overly worried.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Feb 2021
          Replying to @firasd

          We can talk about them the next day, after the scientific community had a chance to see the paper and digest and respond to the news. I'm not saying ignore it at all. Give it a day! The online scientific community response is really, really fast these days.

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