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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kate Taylor

      I would not be surprised at all if hybrid school was the worst possible combination by creating bridges between otherwise separate networks – which is exactly what you wanna avoid in a pandemic.https://twitter.com/katetaylornyt/status/1361737768892776452 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Kate TaylorVerified account @katetaylornyt
      CDC guidelines advise that all schools operate in hybrid mode (not 100% of students in school all the time) at higher levels of transmission. Modeling suggests this reduces transmission. But models don't take into account what students are going to be doing on their days off.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jessica Bassett

      Yeah. If schools can open, they should open. Halfway or unnecessary measures don't help, and can make transmission challenges *worse*.https://twitter.com/jessica_bassett/status/1361818477754015749 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jessica Bassett @jessica_bassett
      Replying to @zeynep
      The mid-week hygiene theater shutdown does the same thing. Parents don’t get Wednesdays off, kids have to go somewhere. Group childcare, in homes, unmasked is a common solution.
      11 replies 20 retweets 154 likes
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    3. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      But... one of the reasons that schools that are offering hybrid (at least in NYC) are doing a halfway version is because they can't bring all the students back fulltime and keep the social distancing measures they've been told to adhere to.

      1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
    4. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @pkafka @zeynep

      Under current arrangements, the more kids who want to attend class in person, the less capacity each school has to provide in-person class. It's crazy-making but there is a basic logic to it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    5. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @pkafka @zeynep

      I also do wonder if the social distancing in place (and, more controversially, the demography of who wants to attend school in NYC right now - weighted toward richer white families) contributes to the low transmission rates in schools.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @pkafka

      Right, but not clear the current distancing measures make that much sense, to be honest for schools given other country's experience, and it's plausible the downsides of hybrid (network-mixing & less school for the kids) would outweigh whatever the plausible distancing benefit.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Yeah I'm not arguing that the social distancing measures in schools are good or necessary - I really don't know (I do know my child *hates* them because it makes school feel more like detention). I am reasonably confident that changing them now would be a whole other shitstorm.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @pkafka @zeynep

      We've been telling everyone that social distancing is one of the key pillars of pandemic defense for nearly a year. I don't think it can be walked back now without major blowback from teachers, parents, staff.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Feb 2021
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      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      Right. I get it. But in reality, hybrid is probably making transmission risks higher. See below example. Keep hearing versions of that. Better masks (especially for teachers) & ventilation are probably better mitigation strategies but we are where we are. https://twitter.com/LaurenW63864031/status/1361821488572215302 …

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    10. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Otoh I keep hearing that nyc is going to change its shutdown rules wrt to testing - currently schools are shut for 10 days if there are two unconnected cases, which makes it nearly impossible to keep schools open for any length. So if - big if -they can change that....

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Feb 2021
      Replying to @pkafka

      Say what? That's... wow.

      4:21 PM - 16 Feb 2021
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        2. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

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        3. Peter Kafka‏Verified account @pkafka 16 Feb 2021
          Replying to @pkafka @zeynep

          Peter Kafka Retweeted Eliza Shapiro

          https://twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1360944318819823623?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet …

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          Eliza ShapiroVerified account @elizashapiro
          If you told me in August that NYC would hold months of in-person learning without major virus outbreaks while other cities barely had a plan to go back, I wouldn't have believed you. But here we are: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/nyregion/coronavirus-elementary-school-reopening.html …
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