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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dave DeGrâce, MD

      Canada. Makes no sense to wear masks *except* when you are breathing most heavily. (I know of gyms in the US *still* with similar rules: Must wear a mask to come in! Sanitize your hands before getting on the elliptical! Then you can take your mask off while you huff and puff.🙄)https://twitter.com/DaveDeGraceMD/status/1360943926883057667 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Dave DeGrâce, MD @DaveDeGraceMD
      It's disturbing to see that none of the re-opening guidelines seem to consider the variants or aerosol/airborne transmission. Our local skating rink requires masks until you get on the ice surface. The local gym requires masks except during cardio. We've had time to change this
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Feb 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted David Elfstrom

      Personally speaking, I'm ok with that *outdoors* as long as people don't crowd. I'm not concerned about my fleeting encounters with joggers. It's the indoors part—because of accumulating aerosols—that's the problem & that's what the rules should reflect.https://twitter.com/DavidElfstrom/status/1361035318120611842 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      David Elfstrom @DavidElfstrom
      Replying to @zeynep @skeila
      This really grates my cheese. Rationale is from WHO, Mask use in the context of COVID-19: interim guidance, 1 Dec 2020: "WHO advises people should not wear masks during vigorous intensity physical activity (143) because masks may reduce the ability to breathe comfortably" /1
      12:27 PM - 14 Feb 2021
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Feb 2021

          Rules/guidelines should reflect underlying mechanisms, which we should explain them people so they can use their judgment, too. There's no "six feet" that divides safe/unsafe: there are mechanisms that affect how distance protects in different environments. True for masks, too!

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Feb 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chris Mcr

          Yeah. UK had an "eat out to help out" campaign where they gave people money to eat *in* restaurants but banned from using the money for take-out. Wasn't a great fan of that.https://twitter.com/chrisnoelie/status/1361051440484151300 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Chris Mcr @chrismcr101
          Replying to @zeynep
          It’s really disappointing how, in the UK, the messaging has been so terrible on this - hardly any mention of spreading through the air - focus on hands and surfaces still!
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        1. Bentalope‏ @behaviorben 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I can’t tell you how many ppl I see remove their masks in enclosed spaces when no one is very close to them. They take indoor mask breaks in schools. Most of these ppl are trying to be safe, but they waste time constantly wiping down surfaces then just flip their mask off inside!

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        2. Isolde‏ @Isolde74835855 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Feel the same way about running. I run maskless outdoors. It's not crowded but I do pass people on the path. Is it 100% safe? No, but I feel pretty confident I won't get it or give it in that brief exchange.

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        3. AliceWondersAtItAll‏ @alivealice9 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @Isolde74835855 @zeynep

          The issue is - do they feel the same way? Especially if they mask, raise mask when they see you coming? Can your breath be heard, felt? Are you careful not to strongly exhale at time of passing? Do you move to far edge, turn head? Runners can be scary. Raise mask out of respect.

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        2. AliceWondersAtItAll‏ @alivealice9 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Why is it okay for a runner to huff & puff, exhale forcefully less than 2 feet from an oncoming persons face??

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        3. AliceWondersAtItAll‏ @alivealice9 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @alivealice9 @zeynep

          This is not to say always mask outside (I agree it gets ridiculous when others not near, or even most passing) but with strong exhalation in another’s direction and zero attempts to distance - the few make it hard for all - the absolutist not mask calls forth the absolutist mask.

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        1. آقای نیم‌فاصله‏ @Nimfaseleman 14 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          What about having good ventilation? Say, we place cardio equipment well-distanced and then let people use them without masks and ventilate the space heavily. Or should we just ban all indoor public cardio? (I haven’t seen anyone able to keep the mask on nose while running fast)

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        1. GrassRootsGuy‏ @GrassRootsGuy 14 Feb 2021
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          No. Straining at a mask is like lifting weights with your arm it increases aerobic strength Who nerds don't treadmill ...

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