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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021

      NYT has new info about Trump's COVID, and my estimate of it *using Kremlinology* was correct! (I piped up because some doctors said he got dexa incorrectly/early because of "VIP medicine syndrome"—not impossible though with that White House, sadly, Kremlinology tad more useful). https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1312821203074265088 …pic.twitter.com/R11rEmBAGJ

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    2. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
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      Once you fall off oxygen saturation curve at 90%, "low 80s" means nothing. Steroid treatment clearly showed at the time he had oxygen desaturated--those data were out. Monoclonals were where preferential access to (unproven at the time) Rx not available to others outside trial.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
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      There was a lot of VIP syndrome commentary at the time, too. (Below is from the NYT then). I think what's interesting to me is how people—medical doctors included—were trying to read between the lines with various guesses rather than, you know, just being able to trust the info.pic.twitter.com/WfFV7Fd532

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    4. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
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      I'll speak personally---almost to a person, my medical colleagues knew he was significantly desaturated, which is why he got dexamethasone, and there was real risk of progression to need for ventilation. There is professional reticence, however, to speculate about a person's

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    5. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
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      condition, even if you KNOW what's going on, without access to records, data, and ideally examining the person. This is an "of course" story from our perspective. The outrage by many was over access to monoclonals.

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    6. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
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      More accurately, reticence to share your speculation outside of closed professional circle.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @ClancyNeil

      Right, and even those high professional standards—makes sense when you normally except to be able to trust authorities with such key information. The norm is there is no huge gap between what the president's medical team is saying and what meds he's getting.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ClancyNeil

      So the NYT story from the time wasn't all "of course he desaturated" but a lot of guessing, wondering about VIP syndrome. The kind of confusion/multiple messages that gets one in the habit of Kremlinology with official statements—was less of a reflex here when I first arrived.

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    9. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Your work has been amazing. Learned tons. Thank you.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @ClancyNeil

      Thank you! Very kind. But honestly, I found myself in this weird bridge position... A bunch of skills/habits/interests and experiences that fit the moment, plus the freedom of an academic position. A chance to contribute is a privilege.

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        2. Neil Clancy‏Verified account @ClancyNeil 11 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Well, its been consistently insightful. You see us better than we see ourselves, which might reflect both being inside and outside the culture, and having historic memory and understanding of elsewhere. Anyhow, well done.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
          Replying to @ClancyNeil

          Hah, thanks. I'm what they call a "third-culture kid" both my personal history and my academic career (too many interests/topics that don't fit the existing silos until they hit something that requires.. most of them at once). Good and bad; weird effects.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid …

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